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	<title>Comments on: Fairness and &#8220;Choice for Men&#8221;</title>
	<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2002/08/09/fairness-and-choice-for-men-2/</link>
	<description>Feminist, anti-racist, pro-fat, plus whatever else we feel like talking about.</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2002/08/09/fairness-and-choice-for-men-2/#comment-39605</link>
		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 03:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;I have talked to guys who have to support children from a former marriage, and the numbers just don't add up&lt;/I&gt;

Have you talked to any of their ex-wives for their take on how the numbers add up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I have talked to guys who have to support children from a former marriage, and the numbers just don&#8217;t add up</i></p>
<p>Have you talked to any of their ex-wives for their take on how the numbers add up?</p>
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		<title>By: Kim (basement variety!)</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2002/08/09/fairness-and-choice-for-men-2/#comment-39601</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim (basement variety!)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 03:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2002/08/09/fairness-and-choice-for-men-2/#comment-39601</guid>
		<description>Childcare alone is a huge cost.  If a woman works 40 hours a week and tries to get the least expensive legitimate childcare out there, it often runs anywhere from 3.00 to 5.00 an hour.   That alone is 100.00 to 200.00 a week - 400.00 to 800.00 a month.  Childcare costs are something single mothers agonize over, and of course you want to not put your child with the bargain basement under the table care-givers.

It's always amazing to me.  Either deny women choice, or blame them for it.  Ain't it grand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Childcare alone is a huge cost.  If a woman works 40 hours a week and tries to get the least expensive legitimate childcare out there, it often runs anywhere from 3.00 to 5.00 an hour.   That alone is 100.00 to 200.00 a week - 400.00 to 800.00 a month.  Childcare costs are something single mothers agonize over, and of course you want to not put your child with the bargain basement under the table care-givers.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always amazing to me.  Either deny women choice, or blame them for it.  Ain&#8217;t it grand?</p>
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		<title>By: Elena</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2002/08/09/fairness-and-choice-for-men-2/#comment-39590</link>
		<dc:creator>Elena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2002/08/09/fairness-and-choice-for-men-2/#comment-39590</guid>
		<description>Bald Eagle: nature gave the choice to women, once there is a pregnancy. And permit me a little schadenfreud here: we women learn about advantages nature and "nature" give to men our whole lives, so now you have an idea of how it is for us.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bald Eagle: nature gave the choice to women, once there is a pregnancy. And permit me a little schadenfreud here: we women learn about advantages nature and &#8220;nature&#8221; give to men our whole lives, so now you have an idea of how it is for us.</p>
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		<title>By: alsis38.9</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2002/08/09/fairness-and-choice-for-men-2/#comment-39581</link>
		<dc:creator>alsis38.9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2002/08/09/fairness-and-choice-for-men-2/#comment-39581</guid>
		<description>"...Somehow, other "whole"? families seem to get by on a lot less per kid. "

Errr, even single and childfree by choice, I can vouch for the fact that living alone often costs more than living together.  Look at rent/mortgage and utilities, just for starters.  It's a lot cheaper to live since my partner and I consolidated under one roof.  Why would that be different for a single parent with a child (or several) ?  The kid can't go to work, after all.  At least not in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;Somehow, other &#8220;whole&#8221;? families seem to get by on a lot less per kid. &#8221;</p>
<p>Errr, even single and childfree by choice, I can vouch for the fact that living alone often costs more than living together.  Look at rent/mortgage and utilities, just for starters.  It&#8217;s a lot cheaper to live since my partner and I consolidated under one roof.  Why would that be different for a single parent with a child (or several) ?  The kid can&#8217;t go to work, after all.  At least not in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Kory Doszpoly</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2002/08/09/fairness-and-choice-for-men-2/#comment-39566</link>
		<dc:creator>Kory Doszpoly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2002/08/09/fairness-and-choice-for-men-2/#comment-39566</guid>
		<description>Is child support really less than half of what it usually costs to raise a child? 

I have talked to guys who have to support children from a former marriage, and the numbers just don't add up. Somehow, other "whole"? families seem to get by on a lot less per kid. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is child support really less than half of what it usually costs to raise a child? </p>
<p>I have talked to guys who have to support children from a former marriage, and the numbers just don&#8217;t add up. Somehow, other &#8220;whole&#8221;? families seem to get by on a lot less per kid.</p>
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		<title>By: Q Grrl</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2002/08/09/fairness-and-choice-for-men-2/#comment-34680</link>
		<dc:creator>Q Grrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2005 14:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2002/08/09/fairness-and-choice-for-men-2/#comment-34680</guid>
		<description>There's plenty o' black babies needing adoption.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s plenty o&#8217; black babies needing adoption.</p>
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		<title>By: Bald Eagle</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2002/08/09/fairness-and-choice-for-men-2/#comment-34568</link>
		<dc:creator>Bald Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2005 21:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2002/08/09/fairness-and-choice-for-men-2/#comment-34568</guid>
		<description>I was once forced to face the though decision of choosing life or death for my unborn child. 

My ex and I just started dating and she got pregnant. I told her that I was going to support her decision no matter which way she would decide to go. I said this knowing that ultimately the decision was hers, and I wouldn't able to do much, if we didn't agree. In the end, she decided to get an abortion - and truth to be told "“ I felt off the hook. We went our separate ways two years later.

But I have been wondering for a long time now: what would I have done had I been given the choice to raise my child as a single parent, only if she had been willing to give birth, or been forced to do so by law. 

If there is a willing father to choose life instead a medical-waste dumpster for and unborn child, why should the woman alone be in the position to make that choice.

All I know, that I may have gone for it, and she'd be five years old by now.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was once forced to face the though decision of choosing life or death for my unborn child. </p>
<p>My ex and I just started dating and she got pregnant. I told her that I was going to support her decision no matter which way she would decide to go. I said this knowing that ultimately the decision was hers, and I wouldn&#8217;t able to do much, if we didn&#8217;t agree. In the end, she decided to get an abortion - and truth to be told &#8220;“ I felt off the hook. We went our separate ways two years later.</p>
<p>But I have been wondering for a long time now: what would I have done had I been given the choice to raise my child as a single parent, only if she had been willing to give birth, or been forced to do so by law. </p>
<p>If there is a willing father to choose life instead a medical-waste dumpster for and unborn child, why should the woman alone be in the position to make that choice.</p>
<p>All I know, that I may have gone for it, and she&#8217;d be five years old by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheelzebub</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2002/08/09/fairness-and-choice-for-men-2/#comment-26940</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheelzebub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2002/08/09/fairness-and-choice-for-men-2/#comment-26940</guid>
		<description>Begone, spamming poopyhead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Begone, spamming poopyhead.</p>
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