Comments on: Real women who have had “partial birth” abortions http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/ Feminist, anti-racist, pro-fat, plus whatever else we feel like talking about. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:14:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Jake Squid http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-352340 Jake Squid Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:29:54 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-352340 <blockquote cite="">When we kill future babies, we deprive ourselves of our own future.</blockquote> This is a great example of why I can't take the anti-choice position seriously. This statement carries as much weight (and truth) as, "Every time a bell rings an angel gets its wings." This is a Quayle-worthy quote along the lines of, "What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is." When we kill future babies (which happens with every wet dream, by this logic), our future still exists. Our future still happens. In the future. Time has not yet, as far as I can tell, stopped.

When we kill future babies, we deprive ourselves of our own future.

This is a great example of why I can’t take the anti-choice position seriously. This statement carries as much weight (and truth) as, “Every time a bell rings an angel gets its wings.” This is a Quayle-worthy quote along the lines of, “What a waste it is to lose one’s mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is.”

When we kill future babies (which happens with every wet dream, by this logic), our future still exists. Our future still happens. In the future. Time has not yet, as far as I can tell, stopped.

]]> By: Ruth http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-352319 Ruth Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:40:12 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-352319 Every sperm is sacred, Every sperm is good. Every sperm is needed In your neighborhood. Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighborhood.

]]> By: Mandolin http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-352288 Mandolin Fri, 06 Feb 2009 09:18:12 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-352288 You know, I'm having my period right now. Consequently, a child that might have been conceived in my womb will NEVER EXIST. That child is MISSING FROM OUR COUNTRY. Someone will NEVER FIND MR. OR MRS. RIGHT BECAUSE THAT CHILD WAS NEVER ALLOWED TO EXIST. I certainly hope that you are constantly pregnant, Ms. Stacy, and that you have been since you first became fertile. I also hope that you forbid your partners from spilling seed by masturbating or having wet dreams. After all, if you are not constantly pregnant, and if your partners are wasting ejaculate, then you are DENYING CHILDREN THE RIGHT TO EXIST. You may think that ova and sperm are only reproductive material, BUT YOU ARE WRONG. THEY ARE FULL OF POTENTIAL THAT YOU ARE WASTING. You know, I’m having my period right now. Consequently, a child that might have been conceived in my womb will NEVER EXIST. That child is MISSING FROM OUR COUNTRY. Someone will NEVER FIND MR. OR MRS. RIGHT BECAUSE THAT CHILD WAS NEVER ALLOWED TO EXIST.

I certainly hope that you are constantly pregnant, Ms. Stacy, and that you have been since you first became fertile. I also hope that you forbid your partners from spilling seed by masturbating or having wet dreams. After all, if you are not constantly pregnant, and if your partners are wasting ejaculate, then you are DENYING CHILDREN THE RIGHT TO EXIST. You may think that ova and sperm are only reproductive material, BUT YOU ARE WRONG. THEY ARE FULL OF POTENTIAL THAT YOU ARE WASTING.

]]> By: Stacy http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-352285 Stacy Fri, 06 Feb 2009 07:49:12 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-352285 Let me start by saying that the intention of my post is not to insult anyone, but to have an honest discussion. Pro-lifers don't hate women and yes, they actually do think about the hardships, etc. However, the point we are trying to make is that most abortions result from too many people having too much casual sex, resulting in unwanted pregnancies. To us, it does seem pretty selfish that to engage in a moment's desire is worth more than a human life. People should value life enough to not go there if they don't want to deal with the potential result. I don't want anyone to have a child they don't want, but we cannot ignore the broader consequences of supporting abortion on demand. For those who consider unborn children nothing more than fetal material, you couldn't be more wrong. Unborn children hold the potential for many great things in life, the greatest of which are family members, friends, lovers, and spouses. When we kill future babies, we deprive ourselves of our own future. Some people will never find "Mr. or Mrs. Right" because they were never allowed to exist. Others will miss out on meaningful, supportive friendships. The nation as a whole has suffered. There are currently over 50 million people missing from our country, and people worry about who will pay for their social security in retirement. These are just a few of the examples of how it has hurt us. Just as pro-choicers want pro-lifers to think about the woman, which again, we do, pro-lifers would like to see this issue thought about in broader terms as opposed to just reproductive rights. What we do in our lives affects everyone, not just ourselves. Again, I am not saying that people have to be "incubators", however, it would be nice to see people own up to their responsibilities, because I do believe that taking part in the creation of a life is a resposibility. We like to use the saying "you can do anything you put your mind to", but it seems that when it comes to an inconvenient pregnancy, we think it's just too hard. Personally, I have had a pregnancy that didn't come at the most convenient time in life for me, but I felt that it was my responsibility to my child to give him his birth right. He did not ask to be conceived. Due to perserverance and faith in God, my life feels very blessed. I know that it can be done, and perserverance develops character. I would have missed out on an opportunity to grow as a person if I chose otherwise. One last thing for those who do believe in God, in case you weren't familiar with what is said in the Bible, there is not one verse supporting abortion, which did take place in those times in non-surgical ways. However, in Psalms, King David (who was of the same bloodline as Jesus) says to God, "For it was you who created my inward parts. You knit me together in my mother's womb...My bones were not hidden from you when I was made in secret, when I was formed in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw me when I was formless; all my days were written in Your book and planned before a single one of them began." I think if God thinks of us this way, then it cannot be right for us to decide who lives and who dies. Thank you for reading my post. God bless. Let me start by saying that the intention of my post is not to insult anyone, but to have an honest discussion. Pro-lifers don’t hate women and yes, they actually do think about the hardships, etc. However, the point we are trying to make is that most abortions result from too many people having too much casual sex, resulting in unwanted pregnancies. To us, it does seem pretty selfish that to engage in a moment’s desire is worth more than a human life. People should value life enough to not go there if they don’t want to deal with the potential result. I don’t want anyone to have a child they don’t want, but we cannot ignore the broader consequences of supporting abortion on demand. For those who consider unborn children nothing more than fetal material, you couldn’t be more wrong. Unborn children hold the potential for many great things in life, the greatest of which are family members, friends, lovers, and spouses. When we kill future babies, we deprive ourselves of our own future. Some people will never find “Mr. or Mrs. Right” because they were never allowed to exist. Others will miss out on meaningful, supportive friendships. The nation as a whole has suffered. There are currently over 50 million people missing from our country, and people worry about who will pay for their social security in retirement. These are just a few of the examples of how it has hurt us. Just as pro-choicers want pro-lifers to think about the woman, which again, we do, pro-lifers would like to see this issue thought about in broader terms as opposed to just reproductive rights. What we do in our lives affects everyone, not just ourselves. Again, I am not saying that people have to be “incubators”, however, it would be nice to see people own up to their responsibilities, because I do believe that taking part in the creation of a life is a resposibility. We like to use the saying “you can do anything you put your mind to”, but it seems that when it comes to an inconvenient pregnancy, we think it’s just too hard. Personally, I have had a pregnancy that didn’t come at the most convenient time in life for me, but I felt that it was my responsibility to my child to give him his birth right. He did not ask to be conceived. Due to perserverance and faith in God, my life feels very blessed. I know that it can be done, and perserverance develops character. I would have missed out on an opportunity to grow as a person if I chose otherwise. One last thing for those who do believe in God, in case you weren’t familiar with what is said in the Bible, there is not one verse supporting abortion, which did take place in those times in non-surgical ways. However, in Psalms, King David (who was of the same bloodline as Jesus) says to God, “For it was you who created my inward parts. You knit me together in my mother’s womb…My bones were not hidden from you when I was made in secret, when I was formed in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw me when I was formless; all my days were written in Your book and planned before a single one of them began.” I think if God thinks of us this way, then it cannot be right for us to decide who lives and who dies. Thank you for reading my post. God bless.

]]> By: jen http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-336314 jen Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:18:58 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-336314 For Claudia Crown Ades, the one with the boy diagnosed with trisomy-13 the mutant that was better dead "what a compassionate choice" ha,ha made me laugh the boy that all the smart doctors said her boy would never survive, go to living with trisomy-13.org and look at all the hundreds of brain dead malfunctioning little miracles that were never going to make it. You guys like to call your self pro-choicers but are the esiest ones to be influence to make somebodyelses choices, the doctors choice. If you really want to make your own choice don't take the easy way out what a brave choice ha,ha. Stand up for your self girl. For Claudia Crown Ades, the one with the boy diagnosed with trisomy-13 the mutant that was better dead “what a compassionate choice” ha,ha made me laugh the boy that all the smart doctors said her boy would never survive, go to living with trisomy-13.org and look at all the hundreds of brain dead malfunctioning little miracles that were never going to make it. You guys like to call your self pro-choicers but are the esiest ones to be influence to make somebodyelses choices, the doctors choice. If you really want to make your own choice don’t take the easy way out what a brave choice ha,ha. Stand up for your self girl.

]]> By: Jason Kennerly http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-285002 Jason Kennerly Sat, 21 Apr 2007 03:23:57 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-285002 The worst part of this is that the pro-lifers anti-abortionists aren't saving any fetuses, they are just driving the medical establishment underground putting people at risk too. What they should be doing is investing heavily in biomedical research, specifically, the very many technologies, and pursuit of the understanding of those technologies, that will perhaps someday enable the eventual creation of a completely functional, transplant-compatible artificial uterus. Only then can they achieve their goal of attempting to hatch every single fetus. I believe thats how Jesus would have answered this problem; Jesus was both compassionate and a healer. In the meantime, I believe its right to put the privacy and safety rights of actual living people first. The worst part of this is that the pro-lifers anti-abortionists aren’t saving any fetuses, they are just driving the medical establishment underground putting people at risk too.

What they should be doing is investing heavily in biomedical research, specifically, the very many technologies, and pursuit of the understanding of those technologies, that will perhaps someday enable the eventual creation of a completely functional, transplant-compatible artificial uterus.

Only then can they achieve their goal of attempting to hatch every single fetus.

I believe thats how Jesus would have answered this problem; Jesus was both compassionate and a healer.

In the meantime, I believe its right to put the privacy and safety rights of actual living people first.

]]> By: Momentarily Anonymous http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-284120 Momentarily Anonymous Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:43:07 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-284120 (Ampersand: obviously you can tell who this is since you have my e-mail address. It's a true story that I sometimes tell. I'd prefer not to have my regular handle attached to it. I hope you understand.) Many years ago my ex-wife and I were a newly married couple. She was a single mother of two, having lost her husband a few years earlier to cancer. I was a recent college graduate trying to get established in my career. We were in love and married. Very shortly after we married, she became pregnant and had an abortion without asking me. I found out about it the evening it happened and came unglued. After talking about the abortion with her, I slowly came to understand that with everything going on, pregnancy was not a good idea. A few years later she became pregnant again and this time we both wanted to bring the child to term. A couple weeks passed by and what started as light spotting progressed to heavy bleeding. She contacted her gynecologist and tests were run. The test results showed that she was in danger of miscarrying and made a follow-up appointment the next week. The bleeding ebbed and flowed and the next week the test results were better. Another follow-up appointment was made for the next week. She was still bleeding and when she returned the second time, the tests showed that she was again in danger of miscarrying. This continued for several more weeks. By this point she was anemic and her health was in serious danger. She asked her doctor to perform an abortion as she was becoming very ill. The doctor said that if her test results were bad the following week, he'd schedule the abortion. When the time came, he refused and she sought out an abortion at a clinic some 10 miles or so from where we lived. During the abortion her heart stopped, and thankfully was restarted. The cause was the loss of blood from the previous weeks' bleeding and the blood she lost during the procedure. She and I were both upset that we'd lost the child. After grieving for a while I realized that the doctor wasn't just playing with the life of my unborn child, but also with the life of my wife. She would never have been able to carry that child to term. She would have died long before then. (Ampersand: obviously you can tell who this is since you have my e-mail address. It’s a true story that I sometimes tell. I’d prefer not to have my regular handle attached to it. I hope you understand.)

Many years ago my ex-wife and I were a newly married couple. She was a single mother of two, having lost her husband a few years earlier to cancer. I was a recent college graduate trying to get established in my career. We were in love and married.

Very shortly after we married, she became pregnant and had an abortion without asking me. I found out about it the evening it happened and came unglued. After talking about the abortion with her, I slowly came to understand that with everything going on, pregnancy was not a good idea.

A few years later she became pregnant again and this time we both wanted to bring the child to term. A couple weeks passed by and what started as light spotting progressed to heavy bleeding. She contacted her gynecologist and tests were run. The test results showed that she was in danger of miscarrying and made a follow-up appointment the next week. The bleeding ebbed and flowed and the next week the test results were better. Another follow-up appointment was made for the next week. She was still bleeding and when she returned the second time, the tests showed that she was again in danger of miscarrying.

This continued for several more weeks. By this point she was anemic and her health was in serious danger. She asked her doctor to perform an abortion as she was becoming very ill. The doctor said that if her test results were bad the following week, he’d schedule the abortion. When the time came, he refused and she sought out an abortion at a clinic some 10 miles or so from where we lived. During the abortion her heart stopped, and thankfully was restarted. The cause was the loss of blood from the previous weeks’ bleeding and the blood she lost during the procedure.

She and I were both upset that we’d lost the child. After grieving for a while I realized that the doctor wasn’t just playing with the life of my unborn child, but also with the life of my wife. She would never have been able to carry that child to term. She would have died long before then.

]]> By: Newsvine - Justices Uphold Abortion Procedure Ban http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-284106 Newsvine - Justices Uphold Abortion Procedure Ban Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:23:35 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-284106 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Here are some women that have been saved by late-term abortion. [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] Here are some women that have been saved by late-term abortion. [...]

]]> By: Kyra http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-85163 Kyra Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:50:48 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-85163 Still Hurting: If your boyfriend found nothing wrong with coercing you to have an abortion and holding a gun to your head in order to frighten you into doing so, do you really think that, had abortion been illegal, he wouldn't have found someone who did illegal abortions and forced you to have one anyway? He doesn't seem to be the type to care all that much about the risks to you. Still Hurting:

If your boyfriend found nothing wrong with coercing you to have an abortion and holding a gun to your head in order to frighten you into doing so, do you really think that, had abortion been illegal, he wouldn’t have found someone who did illegal abortions and forced you to have one anyway? He doesn’t seem to be the type to care all that much about the risks to you.

]]> By: Flamethorn http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-85025 Flamethorn Mon, 07 Nov 2005 02:41:53 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-85025 A question for "pro-lifers": If I should happen to become pregnant, one of the following will occur. (a) I will abort it (b) I will kill it immediately after it is born (c) It will live for months or years with someone (me) who hates it and will eventually kill it, probably by bashing its head against a wall when it screams too many times. Which of those would you prefer? Which is the most humane? How about if I leave it in a hot car on a summer day and it roasts to death? Would you say that's better than allowing a doctor to terminate it before it has developed the neural capacity to suffer? A question for “pro-lifers”: If I should happen to become pregnant, one of the following will occur.

(a) I will abort it

(b) I will kill it immediately after it is born

(c) It will live for months or years with someone (me) who hates it and will eventually kill it, probably by bashing its head against a wall when it screams too many times.

Which of those would you prefer? Which is the most humane? How about if I leave it in a hot car on a summer day and it roasts to death? Would you say that’s better than allowing a doctor to terminate it before it has developed the neural capacity to suffer?

]]> By: Ivy http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-84651 Ivy Sat, 05 Nov 2005 05:37:29 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-84651 Still Hurting: "I was only several weeks when I had mine and I don't feel abortion is ever the answer unless the baby is dead, brainless or the mother's life is in danger." In other words, you're not opposed to abortion- you just want the right to decide who should have one- since apparently you know better than other women. Still Hurting: “I was only several weeks when I had mine and I don’t feel abortion is ever the answer unless the baby is dead, brainless or the mother’s life is in danger.”

In other words, you’re not opposed to abortion- you just want the right to decide who should have one- since apparently you know better than other women.

]]> By: Gail K. Brehm http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-84381 Gail K. Brehm Fri, 04 Nov 2005 01:31:18 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-84381 My sister, brother and myself had a heated discussion this pm regarding PBA. My sister said that it is happening all the time and a women could wait up until the 9 months, regular delivery and then decide that she doesn't want the baby and the MD can kill the baby as long as just the head is out. I cannot believe this. I would like to have a realistic, non partial answer. I do not believe this solution, nor do I believe this happens all the time. My sister, brother and myself had a heated discussion this pm regarding PBA. My sister said that it is happening all the time and a women could wait up until the 9 months, regular delivery and then decide that she doesn’t want the baby and the MD can kill the baby as long as just the head is out. I cannot believe this. I would like to have a realistic, non partial answer. I do not believe this solution, nor do I believe this happens all the time.

]]> By: BritGirlSF http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-54489 BritGirlSF Wed, 03 Aug 2005 04:09:34 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-54489 Still hurting, I am very sorry to hear what you went through and hope that you have had access to some good grief counselling to help you deal with the pain you continue to feel. However, I think that you misunderstand the pro-choice position. I don't think that anyone here would be in favor of allowing an abusive boyfriend to force his unwilling 16 year old girlfriend to have an abortion. The pro-choice position is not that every pregnant woman should have an abortion, it's that every pregnant woman who for whatever reason either does not want to have a child or is concerned that either the child she is carrying is severely damaged or that continuing with the pregnancy will put her own life in danger should be able to decide for herself whether or not to terminate the pregnancy. From a pro-choice point of view what happened to you is an outrage. You did not have any choice, your choice was stolen from you by your ex-boyfriend, by your doctor and by your nurse. None of them had any right to make the decision about whether or not to terminate for you or to override your choice. The choice should have been yours to make. What we pro-choicers are fighting for is to ensure that no-one is ever put into the position you were in which their right to decide whether or not to carry a pregnancy to term is taken away from them. I wish that you were able to see that. I would also like to point out the irony inherent in the fact that many MRAs and some pro-lifers have recently begun to argue that fathers should be more involved in making decisions about abortion, and even that they should have a legal right to be involved in the decision. I would like to point out that allowing that to happen would inevitably lead to more situations like that faced by still hurting. I often wonder if this has occurred to the pro-life people advocating paternal involvement in decisions about abortion. Still hurting, I am very sorry to hear what you went through and hope that you have had access to some good grief counselling to help you deal with the pain you continue to feel. However, I think that you misunderstand the pro-choice position. I don’t think that anyone here would be in favor of allowing an abusive boyfriend to force his unwilling 16 year old girlfriend to have an abortion. The pro-choice position is not that every pregnant woman should have an abortion, it’s that every pregnant woman who for whatever reason either does not want to have a child or is concerned that either the child she is carrying is severely damaged or that continuing with the pregnancy will put her own life in danger should be able to decide for herself whether or not to terminate the pregnancy.
From a pro-choice point of view what happened to you is an outrage. You did not have any choice, your choice was stolen from you by your ex-boyfriend, by your doctor and by your nurse. None of them had any right to make the decision about whether or not to terminate for you or to override your choice. The choice should have been yours to make. What we pro-choicers are fighting for is to ensure that no-one is ever put into the position you were in which their right to decide whether or not to carry a pregnancy to term is taken away from them. I wish that you were able to see that.
I would also like to point out the irony inherent in the fact that many MRAs and some pro-lifers have recently begun to argue that fathers should be more involved in making decisions about abortion, and even that they should have a legal right to be involved in the decision. I would like to point out that allowing that to happen would inevitably lead to more situations like that faced by still hurting. I often wonder if this has occurred to the pro-life people advocating paternal involvement in decisions about abortion.

]]> By: Kim (basement variety!) http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-54476 Kim (basement variety!) Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:48:21 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-54476 How entertaining. When the truth isn't enough, someone challenges the issue begging for gruesome stories. How about you go find some that can be verified as legitimate and we'll talk then. Pffft. How entertaining. When the truth isn’t enough, someone challenges the issue begging for gruesome stories. How about you go find some that can be verified as legitimate and we’ll talk then. Pffft.

]]> By: Ampersand http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-54474 Ampersand Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:17:57 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-54474 Gee, you need to read more carefully. In only one of the cases listed (the case of Correen Costello) is it likely that the fetus was dead before the abortion took place. Gee, you need to read more carefully. In only one of the cases listed (the case of Correen Costello) is it likely that the fetus was dead before the abortion took place.

]]> By: Gee http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-54471 Gee Tue, 02 Aug 2005 23:28:10 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-54471 Looks to me like every example cited was a baby already dead -- therefore NOT an abortion at all. Just another miscarry that needed cleaning up... Is this the best you've got??? Looks to me like every example cited was a baby already dead — therefore NOT an abortion at all. Just another miscarry that needed cleaning up…

Is this the best you’ve got???

]]> By: Don't worry about it http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-46 Don't worry about it Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-46 ABORTION KILLS!! DON'T U KNOW HOW MANY TIMES DOCTOR'S HAVE MADE A FALSE DIAGNOSIS? I GURANTEE YOU THAT ALL YOUR BABAIES WERE JUST AS HEALTHY AS CAN BE!! DOCTOR'S FUCK UP EVERYDAY JUST LIKE U AND I!! I DON'T CARE HOW SEVERELY BRAIN DAMAGED (OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS), U WOMEN LET A STRANER MECHANICALLY DILATE YOUR CERVIXES TO AND PLUNGE A SCICCORS ALONG WITH THE SUCTION TUBES INTO YOUR BABIES HEADS?? yEP..YOU'RE A MOTHER ALRIGHT?!?!? ANYWAY, I'M PROUD OF MY DECISION TO KEEP MY HEALTHY 3 MONTH OLD DESPITE HER NOT BEING PLANNED. I SLEEP GOOD EVERY NIGHT DO YOU??? JUST REMEMBER......MURDERERS GO TO HELL!!!HEHEHEH!! I'LL BE IN HEAVEN WATCHING ALL YOU BABYKILLERS BURN!! ABORTION KILLS!! DON’T U KNOW HOW MANY TIMES DOCTOR’S HAVE MADE A FALSE DIAGNOSIS? I GURANTEE YOU THAT ALL YOUR BABAIES WERE JUST AS HEALTHY AS CAN BE!! DOCTOR’S FUCK UP EVERYDAY JUST LIKE U AND I!! I DON’T CARE HOW SEVERELY BRAIN DAMAGED (OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS), U WOMEN LET A STRANER MECHANICALLY DILATE YOUR CERVIXES TO AND PLUNGE A SCICCORS ALONG WITH THE SUCTION TUBES INTO YOUR BABIES HEADS?? yEP..YOU’RE A MOTHER ALRIGHT?!?!? ANYWAY, I’M PROUD OF MY DECISION TO KEEP MY HEALTHY 3 MONTH OLD DESPITE HER NOT BEING PLANNED. I SLEEP GOOD EVERY NIGHT DO YOU??? JUST REMEMBER……MURDERERS GO TO HELL!!!HEHEHEH!! I’LL BE IN HEAVEN WATCHING ALL YOU BABYKILLERS BURN!!

]]> By: Don't worry about it http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-47 Don't worry about it Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-47 ABORTION KILLS!! DON'T U KNOW HOW MANY TIMES DOCTOR'S HAVE MADE A FALSE DIAGNOSIS? I GURANTEE YOU THAT ALL YOUR BABAIES WERE JUST AS HEALTHY AS CAN BE!! DOCTOR'S FUCK UP EVERYDAY JUST LIKE U AND I!! I DON'T CARE HOW SEVERELY BRAIN DAMAGED (OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS), U WOMEN LET A STRANER MECHANICALLY DILATE YOUR CERVIXES TO AND PLUNGE A SCICCORS ALONG WITH THE SUCTION TUBES INTO YOUR BABIES HEADS?? yEP..YOU'RE A MOTHER ALRIGHT?!?!? ANYWAY, I'M PROUD OF MY DECISION TO KEEP MY HEALTHY 3 MONTH OLD DESPITE HER NOT BEING PLANNED. I SLEEP GOOD EVERY NIGHT DO YOU??? JUST REMEMBER......MURDERERS GO TO HELL!!!HEHEHEH!! I'LL BE IN HEAVEN WATCHING ALL YOU BABYKILLERS BURN!! ABORTION KILLS!! DON’T U KNOW HOW MANY TIMES DOCTOR’S HAVE MADE A FALSE DIAGNOSIS? I GURANTEE YOU THAT ALL YOUR BABAIES WERE JUST AS HEALTHY AS CAN BE!! DOCTOR’S FUCK UP EVERYDAY JUST LIKE U AND I!! I DON’T CARE HOW SEVERELY BRAIN DAMAGED (OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS), U WOMEN LET A STRANER MECHANICALLY DILATE YOUR CERVIXES TO AND PLUNGE A SCICCORS ALONG WITH THE SUCTION TUBES INTO YOUR BABIES HEADS?? yEP..YOU’RE A MOTHER ALRIGHT?!?!? ANYWAY, I’M PROUD OF MY DECISION TO KEEP MY HEALTHY 3 MONTH OLD DESPITE HER NOT BEING PLANNED. I SLEEP GOOD EVERY NIGHT DO YOU??? JUST REMEMBER……MURDERERS GO TO HELL!!!HEHEHEH!! I’LL BE IN HEAVEN WATCHING ALL YOU BABYKILLERS BURN!!

]]> By: zuzu http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-48 zuzu Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-48 Um, well. My mother had a friend whose baby was stillborn. This was in the late 60s/early 70s when abortion wasn't even an option. The baby pretty much died at about 6 months gestation, and the doctor avoided telling her about it. She eventually figured it out when the baby stopped moving and pretty much lost her mind at the idea of carrying around a dead baby. I'm sure the current ban would force her into the same decision. Um, well.

My mother had a friend whose baby was stillborn. This was in the late 60s/early 70s when abortion wasn’t even an option. The baby pretty much died at about 6 months gestation, and the doctor avoided telling her about it. She eventually figured it out when the baby stopped moving and pretty much lost her mind at the idea of carrying around a dead baby. I’m sure the current ban would force her into the same decision.

]]> By: ginmar http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-49 ginmar Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/03/14/real-women-who-have-had-partial-birth-abortions/#comment-49 I have to say, I just love it when an anti-choice person fulfills all the stereotypes. It's so nice. I have to say, I just love it when an anti-choice person fulfills all the stereotypes. It’s so nice.

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