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	<title>Comments on: More on McKinney - and on double standards at the American Prospect</title>
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		<title>By: Wyeth</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/06/27/more-on-mckinney-and-on-double-standards-at-the-american-prospect/#comment-1448</link>
		<dc:creator>Wyeth</dc:creator>
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		<description>Greg Palast didn't say the remarks were distorted. He claimed they were fabricated.

All he had to do was reference the Pacifica Radio Interview and we would have had justifiably grieveance to air.

Instead, he choose to ominously intone "No such quote exists in the Atlanta Journal Constitution" and "No such statement was ever made in the Congressional Record." 

He was implying the interview never happened. I'm saying it did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg Palast didn&#8217;t say the remarks were distorted. He claimed they were fabricated.</p>
<p>All he had to do was reference the Pacifica Radio Interview and we would have had justifiably grieveance to air.</p>
<p>Instead, he choose to ominously intone &#8220;No such quote exists in the Atlanta Journal Constitution&#8221; and &#8220;No such statement was ever made in the Congressional Record.&#8221; </p>
<p>He was implying the interview never happened. I&#8217;m saying it did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ampersand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ampersand</dc:creator>
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		<description>Palast's acticle also says this:

According to NPR, her ?loony? statement was made on the radio news show Counterspin. (Not incidentally, Counterspin is produced by an NPR competitor, the nonprofit Pacifica Radio Network.) I have the transcript; it?s on the web. Her charge that Bush knew about the September 11 attacks in advance and deliberately covered it up can?t be found. 

What can be read is her call for a follow-up on the revelations from the BBC and USA Today on the information about a growing terror threat ignored by Bush . . . and whether the policy response ? war, war, war ? was protecting America or simply enriching Bush?s big arms industry donors and business partners.

Yes, Palast screwed up by mixing up "Counterspin" and "Flashpoints" (McKinney has never been interviewed on Counterspin) he did discuss Pacifica's interview with her. To say Palast implied that interview never happened is - to use your phrase "patently false."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palast&#8217;s acticle also says this:</p>
<p>According to NPR, her ?loony? statement was made on the radio news show Counterspin. (Not incidentally, Counterspin is produced by an NPR competitor, the nonprofit Pacifica Radio Network.) I have the transcript; it?s on the web. Her charge that Bush knew about the September 11 attacks in advance and deliberately covered it up can?t be found. </p>
<p>What can be read is her call for a follow-up on the revelations from the BBC and USA Today on the information about a growing terror threat ignored by Bush . . . and whether the policy response ? war, war, war ? was protecting America or simply enriching Bush?s big arms industry donors and business partners.</p>
<p>Yes, Palast screwed up by mixing up &#8220;Counterspin&#8221; and &#8220;Flashpoints&#8221; (McKinney has never been interviewed on Counterspin) he did discuss Pacifica&#8217;s interview with her. To say Palast implied that interview never happened is - to use your phrase &#8220;patently false.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David Schaich</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Schaich</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So why is the Prospect bending over backwards to defend Gore, while eagerly jumping on the McKinney smear bandwagon? Because Gore is a centrist Democrat, while McKinney is an actual leftist.&lt;/i&gt;

I think another element may be McKinney daring to criticize the administration after 9/11.  When all dissent is automatically viewed as treason by a lot of folks, certain interpretations could become that much more attractive...

Eh, it's a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So why is the Prospect bending over backwards to defend Gore, while eagerly jumping on the McKinney smear bandwagon? Because Gore is a centrist Democrat, while McKinney is an actual leftist.</i></p>
<p>I think another element may be McKinney daring to criticize the administration after 9/11.  When all dissent is automatically viewed as treason by a lot of folks, certain interpretations could become that much more attractive&#8230;</p>
<p>Eh, it&#8217;s a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: JDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JDC</dc:creator>
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		<description>Incisive comparison with TAPPED on the McKinney and Gore "quotes." I think McKinney's comments in this transcript that are specifically about the Bush administration can only be reasonably interpreted as being about ignoring or misinterpreting warnings rather than a plot to allow the Towers to fall.

Her comment about the "unusual stock trades" has a bit more of a conspiracy theory smell about it (to me). Whatever happened with that story anyway? The last I remember is that trade activity wasn't especially abnormal. But I don't remember a systematic look at it. And in any event, such a concern in March, 2002 is not particularly disquieting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incisive comparison with TAPPED on the McKinney and Gore &#8220;quotes.&#8221; I think McKinney&#8217;s comments in this transcript that are specifically about the Bush administration can only be reasonably interpreted as being about ignoring or misinterpreting warnings rather than a plot to allow the Towers to fall.</p>
<p>Her comment about the &#8220;unusual stock trades&#8221; has a bit more of a conspiracy theory smell about it (to me). Whatever happened with that story anyway? The last I remember is that trade activity wasn&#8217;t especially abnormal. But I don&#8217;t remember a systematic look at it. And in any event, such a concern in March, 2002 is not particularly disquieting.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
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		<description>No, sorry, Barry.  It is possible to read that comment and get that she thinks the Bush Admin let 9/11 happen for gain. In the first quote, the way way she flows from the stock traders to questions about what the Bush Admin knew sounds very much like she is linking the two rhetotically.  I do not think, to the average listener, that interpretation is a stretch. 

OTO, the entire context in the interview clairifies that, and TAPPED should have pointed that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, sorry, Barry.  It is possible to read that comment and get that she thinks the Bush Admin let 9/11 happen for gain. In the first quote, the way way she flows from the stock traders to questions about what the Bush Admin knew sounds very much like she is linking the two rhetotically.  I do not think, to the average listener, that interpretation is a stretch. </p>
<p>OTO, the entire context in the interview clairifies that, and TAPPED should have pointed that out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Keezel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Keezel</dc:creator>
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		<description>Thank you for posting the actual McKinney comments. I literally had just read the smear at Tapped before hitting your site and I gotta admit, I took Tapped seriously. They were way off base. 

Keep on blogging...thekeez</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting the actual McKinney comments. I literally had just read the smear at Tapped before hitting your site and I gotta admit, I took Tapped seriously. They were way off base. </p>
<p>Keep on blogging&#8230;thekeez</p>
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		<title>By: Ampersand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ampersand</dc:creator>
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		<description>Kevin writes: "It is possible to read that comment and get that she thinks the Bush Admin let 9/11 happen for gain."

If you say so. However, I think that even if I conceded that, my point would still stand: "When a text can be read two ways - reasonable or wacky - it's obviously unfair to write a news story that emphasizes only the wacky reading, or doesn't let readers know the text has a non-wacky reading."

Unless you're arguing that your reading is the ONLY plausible reading, I think the way the press destroyed McKinney IS an example of unfair, biased reporting - rather like the "invented the internet" smear against Gore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin writes: &#8220;It is possible to read that comment and get that she thinks the Bush Admin let 9/11 happen for gain.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you say so. However, I think that even if I conceded that, my point would still stand: &#8220;When a text can be read two ways - reasonable or wacky - it&#8217;s obviously unfair to write a news story that emphasizes only the wacky reading, or doesn&#8217;t let readers know the text has a non-wacky reading.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unless you&#8217;re arguing that your reading is the ONLY plausible reading, I think the way the press destroyed McKinney IS an example of unfair, biased reporting - rather like the &#8220;invented the internet&#8221; smear against Gore.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Drum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Drum</dc:creator>
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		<description>My initial inclination is that McKinney's quote does imply some kind of specific foreknowledge.

But what's really weird is how this stuff keeps going round and round.  Why don't people just run the damn quote and then make whatever commentary they want?  Kudos to Ampersand for doing that, and letting me decide for myself if I agree with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My initial inclination is that McKinney&#8217;s quote does imply some kind of specific foreknowledge.</p>
<p>But what&#8217;s really weird is how this stuff keeps going round and round.  Why don&#8217;t people just run the damn quote and then make whatever commentary they want?  Kudos to Ampersand for doing that, and letting me decide for myself if I agree with him.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
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		<description>Barry

Well, yeah, to be mean, I see the "conspiracy" stuff in McKinney's quote as by far the most plausible reading off it.  I honestly don't think she meant it that way, as I know some of her history, but she seems to have expressed hersefl in a rather stupid fashion.

Again, having said that, it is odd that TAPPED did not do what the Repubs tried to do with Lott: push the "reasonable" explanation to the forefront.  It did not work in Lott's case becasue he had a history of associating with racits and racist casues.  It WOULD have worked with McKinney, becasue she does not have a history of being a conspiracy monger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry</p>
<p>Well, yeah, to be mean, I see the &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; stuff in McKinney&#8217;s quote as by far the most plausible reading off it.  I honestly don&#8217;t think she meant it that way, as I know some of her history, but she seems to have expressed hersefl in a rather stupid fashion.</p>
<p>Again, having said that, it is odd that TAPPED did not do what the Repubs tried to do with Lott: push the &#8220;reasonable&#8221; explanation to the forefront.  It did not work in Lott&#8217;s case becasue he had a history of associating with racits and racist casues.  It WOULD have worked with McKinney, becasue she does not have a history of being a conspiracy monger.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
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		<description>You may recall that in the previous thread I quoted from an AP report on the press release that McKinney issued when this whole thing came up.  Notably, she never denied making the implication that the Bush administration might have let Sept. 11 happen in order to profit from it. Here's a quote from the AP article:

McKinney declined to be interviewed Thursday, but she issued a statement saying: "I am not aware of any evidence showing that President Bush or members of his administration have personally profited from the attacks of 9-11. A complete investigation might reveal that to be the case."



Not exactly the ringing denial that Amp is now providing on McKinney's behalf,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may recall that in the previous thread I quoted from an AP report on the press release that McKinney issued when this whole thing came up.  Notably, she never denied making the implication that the Bush administration might have let Sept. 11 happen in order to profit from it. Here&#8217;s a quote from the AP article:</p>
<p>McKinney declined to be interviewed Thursday, but she issued a statement saying: &#8220;I am not aware of any evidence showing that President Bush or members of his administration have personally profited from the attacks of 9-11. A complete investigation might reveal that to be the case.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not exactly the ringing denial that Amp is now providing on McKinney&#8217;s behalf,</p>
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		<title>By: David Schaich</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Schaich</dc:creator>
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		<description>Well, Joe, if you had bothered to read Palast's Alternet piece, you would have found this little quote of McKinney's:

&lt;i&gt;&#8220;George Bush had no prior knowledge of the plan to attack the World Trade Center on September 11.&#8221;&lt;/i&gt;

Basically the ringing denial that Amp is now providing.  

True, Palast doesn't provide us with a link or url, so I can't hunt it down and check context such as when she said that (although it probably wouldn't have come up before the furor over her March 2002 remarks) or whether there were any other phrases Palast edited out (like, say, "a complete investigation may show this to be the case").  I'm sure Palast spins, but he wouldn't just make up a quote like that from whole cloth.

If anybody has found whatever complete statement that sentence came from, it would be nice to see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Joe, if you had bothered to read Palast&#8217;s Alternet piece, you would have found this little quote of McKinney&#8217;s:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;George Bush had no prior knowledge of the plan to attack the World Trade Center on September 11.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Basically the ringing denial that Amp is now providing.  </p>
<p>True, Palast doesn&#8217;t provide us with a link or url, so I can&#8217;t hunt it down and check context such as when she said that (although it probably wouldn&#8217;t have come up before the furor over her March 2002 remarks) or whether there were any other phrases Palast edited out (like, say, &#8220;a complete investigation may show this to be the case&#8221;).  I&#8217;m sure Palast spins, but he wouldn&#8217;t just make up a quote like that from whole cloth.</p>
<p>If anybody has found whatever complete statement that sentence came from, it would be nice to see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
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		<description>I did bother to read Palast's piece, but I don't trust him at all.  He's spinning furiously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did bother to read Palast&#8217;s piece, but I don&#8217;t trust him at all.  He&#8217;s spinning furiously.</p>
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		<title>By: --k.</title>
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		<description>Palast says it's from the Congressional Record. Anyone care to go check?

So, Joe: you believe Clemetson when she suggests McKinney said one thing, but you disbelieve Palast when he quotes McKinney directly saying another?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palast says it&#8217;s from the Congressional Record. Anyone care to go check?</p>
<p>So, Joe: you believe Clemetson when she suggests McKinney said one thing, but you disbelieve Palast when he quotes McKinney directly saying another?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom T.</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;. . . .Democrats hate and smear leftists.&lt;/i&gt;

This works both ways, certainly.  McKinney famously said of Gore that his "Negro tolerance has never been too high. I&#8217;ve never seen him around more than one at a time."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>. . . .Democrats hate and smear leftists.</i></p>
<p>This works both ways, certainly.  McKinney famously said of Gore that his &#8220;Negro tolerance has never been too high. I&#8217;ve never seen him around more than one at a time.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bean</title>
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		<dc:creator>bean</dc:creator>
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		<description>Sadly, I do believe that the "average reader" would so badly misinterpret her statement -- but that's only because I do believe that the "average citizen" is stupid beyond redemption, and wouldn't know how to think for themselves if they had to in order to save their own lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, I do believe that the &#8220;average reader&#8221; would so badly misinterpret her statement &#8212; but that&#8217;s only because I do believe that the &#8220;average citizen&#8221; is stupid beyond redemption, and wouldn&#8217;t know how to think for themselves if they had to in order to save their own lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Carnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Carnell</dc:creator>
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		<description>"Here's the closest McKinney comes to saying "President Bush might have known about the September 11 attacks but did nothing so his supporters could make money in a war.""

Sorry, but no. As I point out &lt;a href="http://brian.carnell.com/articles/2003/06/000033.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, McKinney said almost exactly this in a press release right after the KPFA interview,

"I am not aware of any evidence showing that President Bush or members of his administration have personally profited from the attacks of 9-11. A complete investigation might reveal that to be the case. For example, it is known that President Bush's father, through the Carlyle Group had - at the time of the attacks - joint business interests with the bin Laden construction company and many defense industry holdings, the stocks of which, have soared since September 11."

Moreover Palast in his article specifically says that he searched McKinney's web site, and this was posted to McKinney's Congressional web site. So he's either lying or one lousy researcher (this took me 5 minutes to find on Goolge).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Here&#8217;s the closest McKinney comes to saying &#8220;President Bush might have known about the September 11 attacks but did nothing so his supporters could make money in a war.&#8221;"</p>
<p>Sorry, but no. As I point out <a href="http://brian.carnell.com/articles/2003/06/000033.html">here</a>, McKinney said almost exactly this in a press release right after the KPFA interview,</p>
<p>&#8220;I am not aware of any evidence showing that President Bush or members of his administration have personally profited from the attacks of 9-11. A complete investigation might reveal that to be the case. For example, it is known that President Bush&#8217;s father, through the Carlyle Group had - at the time of the attacks - joint business interests with the bin Laden construction company and many defense industry holdings, the stocks of which, have soared since September 11.&#8221;</p>
<p>Moreover Palast in his article specifically says that he searched McKinney&#8217;s web site, and this was posted to McKinney&#8217;s Congressional web site. So he&#8217;s either lying or one lousy researcher (this took me 5 minutes to find on Goolge).</p>
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		<title>By: Ampersand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ampersand</dc:creator>
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		<description>Brian, that quote - like the fuller quotes on your website - doesn't include any accusation that Bush knew about 9/11 in advance but deliberately allowed it to happen for profit's sake. That you think it does prove Palast wrong suggests that your political bias against McKinney has colored your judgement.

Now, maybe she did mean her statements as you've interpreted them - although I doubt it - but that your "best case" quote is so &lt;i&gt;un&lt;/i&gt;damning shows how weak your case is.

Of course, I've got a bias too - but my point is, why is your bias the only one the papers adopted? A fairer, objective approach to the story would have pointed out that the "nutty" interpretation you prefer isn't the only interpretation. That the press largely decided not to report any but your preferred (right-wing, anti-feminist) interpretation shows bias - just as Palast claimed.

The press gave the impression that McKinney made a clear, nonsubjective accusation against Bush. That's simply not true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, that quote - like the fuller quotes on your website - doesn&#8217;t include any accusation that Bush knew about 9/11 in advance but deliberately allowed it to happen for profit&#8217;s sake. That you think it does prove Palast wrong suggests that your political bias against McKinney has colored your judgement.</p>
<p>Now, maybe she did mean her statements as you&#8217;ve interpreted them - although I doubt it - but that your &#8220;best case&#8221; quote is so <i>un</i>damning shows how weak your case is.</p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;ve got a bias too - but my point is, why is your bias the only one the papers adopted? A fairer, objective approach to the story would have pointed out that the &#8220;nutty&#8221; interpretation you prefer isn&#8217;t the only interpretation. That the press largely decided not to report any but your preferred (right-wing, anti-feminist) interpretation shows bias - just as Palast claimed.</p>
<p>The press gave the impression that McKinney made a clear, nonsubjective accusation against Bush. That&#8217;s simply not true.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
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		<description>He's offering a "right wing anti-feminist" interpretation?  What baloney.  McKinney clearly and unambiguously 1) said that people close to the administration were profiting from Sept. 11, and 2) asked whether Bush knew about Sept. 11 ahead of time.  You don't have to be a genius or a right-winger, much less an "anti-feminist," to think that she was heavily implying that Bush let Sept. 11 happened on purpose so as to let his friends profit.  And that is clearly the implication she meant to leave in the listeners' minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s offering a &#8220;right wing anti-feminist&#8221; interpretation?  What baloney.  McKinney clearly and unambiguously 1) said that people close to the administration were profiting from Sept. 11, and 2) asked whether Bush knew about Sept. 11 ahead of time.  You don&#8217;t have to be a genius or a right-winger, much less an &#8220;anti-feminist,&#8221; to think that she was heavily implying that Bush let Sept. 11 happened on purpose so as to let his friends profit.  And that is clearly the implication she meant to leave in the listeners&#8217; minds.</p>
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		<title>By: ---k.</title>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;And that is clearly the implication she meant to leave in the listeners' minds.&lt;/em&gt;

So what? You can't say she &lt;em&gt;said&lt;/em&gt; it if she didn't &lt;em&gt;say&lt;/em&gt; it.

What is so hard to understand about that? Jesus, it's clear as a goddamn bell that not only did President Bush mean for the American people to believe that Saddam Hussein was directly involved in 9/11. But he didn't actually come out and &lt;em&gt;say&lt;/em&gt; it. You don't see much of a stink in the press being raised about &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; one.

McKinney's remarks, however you interpret them, were trying to raise important questions that &lt;em&gt;must be asked,&lt;/em&gt; whatever the answers might be. Bush's remarks got thousands of people killed. Advantage McKinney, as far as I'm concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>And that is clearly the implication she meant to leave in the listeners&#8217; minds.</em></p>
<p>So what? You can&#8217;t say she <em>said</em> it if she didn&#8217;t <em>say</em> it.</p>
<p>What is so hard to understand about that? Jesus, it&#8217;s clear as a goddamn bell that not only did President Bush mean for the American people to believe that Saddam Hussein was directly involved in 9/11. But he didn&#8217;t actually come out and <em>say</em> it. You don&#8217;t see much of a stink in the press being raised about <em>that</em> one.</p>
<p>McKinney&#8217;s remarks, however you interpret them, were trying to raise important questions that <em>must be asked,</em> whatever the answers might be. Bush&#8217;s remarks got thousands of people killed. Advantage McKinney, as far as I&#8217;m concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: quit lying</title>
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		<dc:creator>quit lying</dc:creator>
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		<description>Left wing ass munch Greg Palast is getting lots of kudos on the lefty screamer web sites for this story alleging that former Representative Cynthia McKinney never alleged that Bush had foreknowledge of 9/11, and that she never said Bush let 9/11 go down because it would profit his family. Throughout the article on the ever reliable lefty (ever reliably left?) Alternet, Palast keeps repeating, she never said it, there's no proof, she got screwed.

The only problem is, Palast is wrong. It's either sloppy research, or he is lying and intentionally omitting facts in an interest to rehabilitate McKinney.

This Pacifica Radio Transcript from a Pacifica Radio interview with McKinney features the troublesome words. It's printed verbatim. 

Now I know the left has been on this kick lately, about conservative dominance of the media. Well, this transcript is from a source that will be hard to impeach... though maybe Palast can infer in a later article that the goodly hippies who run Pacifica are self-hating leftists who sabotage their own cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Left wing ass munch Greg Palast is getting lots of kudos on the lefty screamer web sites for this story alleging that former Representative Cynthia McKinney never alleged that Bush had foreknowledge of 9/11, and that she never said Bush let 9/11 go down because it would profit his family. Throughout the article on the ever reliable lefty (ever reliably left?) Alternet, Palast keeps repeating, she never said it, there&#8217;s no proof, she got screwed.</p>
<p>The only problem is, Palast is wrong. It&#8217;s either sloppy research, or he is lying and intentionally omitting facts in an interest to rehabilitate McKinney.</p>
<p>This Pacifica Radio Transcript from a Pacifica Radio interview with McKinney features the troublesome words. It&#8217;s printed verbatim. </p>
<p>Now I know the left has been on this kick lately, about conservative dominance of the media. Well, this transcript is from a source that will be hard to impeach&#8230; though maybe Palast can infer in a later article that the goodly hippies who run Pacifica are self-hating leftists who sabotage their own cause.</p>
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