Comments on: “Pro” life lies about the UN Population Fund

By: John Isbell

John Isbell — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

F**k George Bush. We’re taking him out.

By: bean

bean — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

Careful, John, I’d hate to see the secret service banging down your door and taking you somewhere no one would ever see or hear from you again. :p

By: hope

hope — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

great post - thanks for the info on the UK report

By: Raznor

Raznor — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

I am seething with rage. Seething I say.

But great post. Way to tear holes through Lopez’s “logic”.

By: John Isbell

John Isbell — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

Hmm. By that I mean, out of the White House in 2004. Thanks, bean. And of course I’m quoting his very words about Saddam, months before going to the UN.
But today I tried to email two breaking stories about Niger (the WaPo and the dead UK scientist) and my email crashed repeatedly. Hmm indeed. Let’s see if I can still post comments.

By: John Isbell

John Isbell — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

Cool. The email glitch is odd, though: I rebooted my computer to no avail, and tried sending to a guaranteed address. Jenkins, I need my tin foil hat.

By: obeah

obeah — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

This is why I try to tell grassroots pro-lifers that they shouldn’t trust the right-wingers in charge just because they claim to be pro-life. Because they do trust them. People “on the ground” who oppose UNFPA do so because they *truly believe* that it supports the system of forced abortions — it’s not because they’re nuts who hate Chinese women, as fashionable as it may be to assume so.

But who are they going to listen to when it comes to debunking the false information about programs like UNFPA? Pro-choice advocates are perceived as dishonest because, among other things, they make false claims about who pro-lifers are and what motivates them. Funny thing — you spend enough time telling someone they hate women and just want to force their religion on others, and pretty soon they don’t find you credible.

I don’t know what the answer is. Right-wingers aren’t going to suddenly become honest and trustworthy, and pro-choice advocates aren’t going to start addressing pro-life people as decent human beings with whom they can have honest dialogue.

By: Ampersand

Ampersand — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

Obeah, I wonder if you’re as quick to criticize pro-lifers who dehumanize and demonize pro-choicers? It’s simply not the case that all pro-lifers address pro-choicers as ” as decent human beings with whom they can have honest dialogue.” But you’re certainly right; that demonization happens on both sides and it shouldn’t.

I do try to keep the distinction you make between the leadership and the rank-and-file in mind - which is why the opening paragraphs of this post refers specifically to pro-lifers “in congress” and “influential pro-lifers,” rather than pro-lifers in general. But I should have done a much better job making that distinction clear.

The truth is, I was very pissed off when I wrote this post (and I think justifiably so).

By: obeah

obeah — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

Obeah, I wonder if you’re as quick to criticize pro-lifers who dehumanize and demonize pro-choicers?

Wonder no longer — yes I do. It’s very important to me not to be a hypocrite.

By: Appalachia Alumni Association

Appalachia Alumni Association — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

UNFPA and Pro-Lifers
Alas, A Blog has a good post refuting pro-life claims about the UNFPA and its activities in China. Of particular note is the “China Mission Report” by three members of the British Parliament, “including the right-wing MP Edward Leigh, who…

By: Lying Media Bastards

Lying Media Bastards — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

Compassionate Smoke & Mirrors
When I first heard about Bush’s plans to help with the African AIDS crisis, I knew there would be exaggerations

By: jade - MySpace Blog

jade - MySpace Blog — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

Thor starts flinging frogs and giving us pimples when he doesn’t get his way. “Dude. Your wife’s a spice rack. What the fuck did she say to Yahweh?” Don’t even try and play this off like it’s just a bunch of prairie extremists who are pushing this radical agenda. It’s just that South Dakota’s legislature is willing to admit what the pro-life movement is really after: forced pregnancy. And they’re not the only dicks who want their chicks barefoot and knocked up – assholes in at least ten

By: Lives We Might Live

Lives We Might Live — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

radical agenda

By: 216 - A veneer of fake intelligence tacked onto a solid core of dumb.

216 - A veneer of fake intelligence tacked onto a solid core of dumb. — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

flinging frogs and giving us pimples when he doesn’t get his way. “Dude. Your wife’s a spice rack. What the fuck did she say to Yahweh?” Don’t even try and play this off like it’s just a bunch of prairie extremists who are pushing thisradical agenda. It’s just that South Dakota’s legislature is willing to admit what the pro-life movement is really after: forced pregnancy. And they’re not the only dicks who want their chicks barefoot and knocked up – assholes in at least ten