Comments on: About that Dutch study of gay men’s behavior…

By: peter jung

peter jung — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

I don’t see the relevance of all this blather about promiscuity. Seems to me the question of gay rights should be centered on constitutional issues. Is there a basis in our Constitution for discriminating against gay people? (No) Do they enjoy the same legal rights as other citizens? (Yes)

End of story.

By: peter jung

peter jung — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

Revise that to read-

SHOULD they enjoy the same legal rights as other citizens? (Yes)

By: Raznor

Raznor — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

But you don’t get it, gay men have sex with other men! In fact if given the choice of sex with men or women, a gay man would pick sex with men! Why, if gays were to marry, that’s just inviting them to have sex! And what’s worse, they might cheat, which would be a horrible blow against marriage since no straight married person has cheated ever.

Sorry I’m in full sarcastic mode here. I think it has something to do with the fact that I’m watching The Great Race.

By: Zack

Zack — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

I recall Eugene Volokh writing about this study when he was posting about gay promiscuity. If I remember correctly, this study focussed on HIV/AIDS and on very promiscous gay men. Not a random sample at all!

By: Simon

Simon — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

Peter’s comment is right as far as it goes, but even Amp has missed the main objection to using this study as an argument against allowing gay marriage.

Let’s say the claimed implications are completely true, that gay men really do have a strong tendency to have brief relationships and lots of sexual partners.

So what?

Does that mean that there aren’t some gay men who are faithful and committed? NO.

And wouldn’t it be the faithful and committed ones who would be most likely to be seeking marriage licenses? I WOULD THINK SO, wouldn’t you?

Aren’t sexual straying, brief relationships, and even brief legal marriages also characteristic of straights? Hasn’t the divorce rate among heterosexual couples done more damage to the institution of marriage than anything a few committed gay couples could do? YES to both questions.

And lastly, if this study is being used as an argument about gay men, then what about lesbians?

By: PinkDreamPoppies

PinkDreamPoppies — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

And lastly, if this study is being used as an argument about gay men, then what about lesbians?

Yeah, what about lesbians? I’ve noticed that they don’t come up in a lot of the discussions about homosexual relationships. Most of the studies are of gay men and most of the objections revolve around gay men.

Actually, that’s not entirely accurate. I seldom hear men mention lesbians when they’re talking about gay relationships, but women don’t seem to have a problem talking about both forms of homosexual relationships.

My theory is that too many men are turned on by lesbians and want to be very careful about condemning something they like. Then again, I’m in a cynical mood today.

By: Raznor

Raznor — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

My theory is that too many men are turned on by lesbians and want to be very careful about condemning something they like. Then again, I’m in a cynical mood today.

Well, yeah, lesbians are hot. But I think it has more to do with the fact that homophobic men moreso have less reason to fear lesbians. The idea that gay men would want to do with them what they want to do with women terrifies them for some reason, but the same doesn’t apply to lesbians, so they lie a bit under their radar.

Or maybe I’m just pulling this out of my ass and it has no basis in reality. As in “Hey there’s something in my ass. It appears to be a theory on the psychology of homophobes. Think I’ll post it.”

So take this with a grain of salt.

By: robert

robert — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

Has anybody been able to get a hold of the paper yet?

By: Pacific Views

Pacific Views — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

Sunday Reading
Seeing the Forest has loads more links on the park privatization. After that, start with the 9-11 article and read down past the PNAC piece, past the voter turnout post, all the way to the bit about think tanks. And, as See the Forest points out, excel…

By: Pacific Views

Pacific Views — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

By: Lean Left

Lean Left — Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000

Gay Marriage and Meaningless Statistics on Promiscuity
Ampersand has a very good, very thorough look at a survey on gay relationships and the way the Washington Times…