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		<title>By: kyra</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/09/04/why-dont-anti-feminists-know-anything-about-feminism/#comment-4099</link>
		<dc:creator>kyra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your blog *rockz*! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your blog *rockz*! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/09/04/why-dont-anti-feminists-know-anything-about-feminism/#comment-4100</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ifeminism? Wouldn't it be infeminism or ilfeminism or unfeminism (or mysogyny)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ifeminism? Wouldn&#8217;t it be infeminism or ilfeminism or unfeminism (or mysogyny)?</p>
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		<title>By: Cleis</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/09/04/why-dont-anti-feminists-know-anything-about-feminism/#comment-4101</link>
		<dc:creator>Cleis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is McElroy just ignorant or is she also disingenuous? Of course, it's disingenuous to write about feminism without knowing much about feminism, but what I mean is: I can't help but think that McElroy knows she's misleading her readers, and that she deliberately misleads for ideological reasons (and to keep a job at Fox).

I wonder this same thing when I read the boys at the Corner. (I'm swerving off topic here.) Does Stanley Kurtz really think that the Canadian gay community "hid" internal disagreements about marriage (whether gay marriage is a desirable goal, or whether queer folks - and others - should challenge the institution of marriage altogether)? This week, Kurtz wrote that gays obscured their real feelings about marriage (uh, that we disagree about it) "for tactical reasons," but now that gay Canadians have won the right to marry, their real anti-family agenda is revealed. (I'm not sure how "disagreements within the community about marriage" = "anti-family agenda," but there you go.) Is he a friggin' idiot, or is he deceitful?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is McElroy just ignorant or is she also disingenuous? Of course, it&#8217;s disingenuous to write about feminism without knowing much about feminism, but what I mean is: I can&#8217;t help but think that McElroy knows she&#8217;s misleading her readers, and that she deliberately misleads for ideological reasons (and to keep a job at Fox).</p>
<p>I wonder this same thing when I read the boys at the Corner. (I&#8217;m swerving off topic here.) Does Stanley Kurtz really think that the Canadian gay community &#8220;hid&#8221; internal disagreements about marriage (whether gay marriage is a desirable goal, or whether queer folks - and others - should challenge the institution of marriage altogether)? This week, Kurtz wrote that gays obscured their real feelings about marriage (uh, that we disagree about it) &#8220;for tactical reasons,&#8221; but now that gay Canadians have won the right to marry, their real anti-family agenda is revealed. (I&#8217;m not sure how &#8220;disagreements within the community about marriage&#8221; = &#8220;anti-family agenda,&#8221; but there you go.) Is he a friggin&#8217; idiot, or is he deceitful?</p>
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		<title>By: cleis</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/09/04/why-dont-anti-feminists-know-anything-about-feminism/#comment-4102</link>
		<dc:creator>cleis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I didn't provide a link to the Corner; I'm at work and without my html cheat sheet. You can find it via The National Review's website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I didn&#8217;t provide a link to the Corner; I&#8217;m at work and without my html cheat sheet. You can find it via The National Review&#8217;s website.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Ho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy Ho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cleis,
I think you refer to &lt;a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/03_08_31_corner-archive.asp#012980"&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; by Stanley Kurtz at &lt;i&gt;The Corner&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cleis,<br />
I think you refer to <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/03_08_31_corner-archive.asp#012980">this post</a> by Stanley Kurtz at <i>The Corner</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Ho</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2003/09/04/why-dont-anti-feminists-know-anything-about-feminism/#comment-4104</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy Ho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that was related, but the one you mention is actually &lt;a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/03_08_31_corner-archive.asp#012929"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;:
"&lt;i&gt;with gay marriage safely granted and no more need to suppress its radical side for tactical reasons, Toronto’s gay community has now allowed itself to be open about its ambivalence toward marriage and monogamy&lt;/i&gt;."
No comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that was related, but the one you mention is actually <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/03_08_31_corner-archive.asp#012929">here</a>:<br />
&#8220;<i>with gay marriage safely granted and no more need to suppress its radical side for tactical reasons, Toronto’s gay community has now allowed itself to be open about its ambivalence toward marriage and monogamy</i>.&#8221;<br />
No comment.</p>
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		<title>By: aimai</title>
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		<dc:creator>aimai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I add to this post by cleis to say that I also found that post by Kurtz utterly bizzarre: aside from the logical absurdity of it all: what is his beef, exactly? That gay people want to get married (but shouldn't be allowed to because they will destroy (my) marriage or that they don't want to get married to each other?  If gay marriage is "wrong" and "anti family" then shouldn't gays refusing to get married be some kind of "good thing?" for people like Kurtz?  I think he's upset because he imagines that these non-committal homosexuals are enjoying living in what now becomes some kind of "double" sin.

The Kurtz posting reeks to me of obsessive interest in other peoples private lives, and perhaps some displaced envy over others' ability to choose whether or not to commit. But at any rate, I can't figure out which "gay tactic" is supposed to be "anti-family." (that is, marrying or not marrying).   As a  heterosexual mother of two daughters who have yet to declare their sexual orientation (being four and six and still, apparently, in love with daddy) I'd think the "pro-family" approach is to worry about the vast numbers of individuals of all sexual orientations who seem to have a hard time settling down with one mate, not to worry about the partners they are choosing.  But Kurtz, of course, is not "pro-family" (whatever that means) he's just anti-someone else.--aimai</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I add to this post by cleis to say that I also found that post by Kurtz utterly bizzarre: aside from the logical absurdity of it all: what is his beef, exactly? That gay people want to get married (but shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to because they will destroy (my) marriage or that they don&#8217;t want to get married to each other?  If gay marriage is &#8220;wrong&#8221; and &#8220;anti family&#8221; then shouldn&#8217;t gays refusing to get married be some kind of &#8220;good thing?&#8221; for people like Kurtz?  I think he&#8217;s upset because he imagines that these non-committal homosexuals are enjoying living in what now becomes some kind of &#8220;double&#8221; sin.</p>
<p>The Kurtz posting reeks to me of obsessive interest in other peoples private lives, and perhaps some displaced envy over others&#8217; ability to choose whether or not to commit. But at any rate, I can&#8217;t figure out which &#8220;gay tactic&#8221; is supposed to be &#8220;anti-family.&#8221; (that is, marrying or not marrying).   As a  heterosexual mother of two daughters who have yet to declare their sexual orientation (being four and six and still, apparently, in love with daddy) I&#8217;d think the &#8220;pro-family&#8221; approach is to worry about the vast numbers of individuals of all sexual orientations who seem to have a hard time settling down with one mate, not to worry about the partners they are choosing.  But Kurtz, of course, is not &#8220;pro-family&#8221; (whatever that means) he&#8217;s just anti-someone else.&#8211;aimai</p>
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		<title>By: ms lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>ms lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>allow me to be cliché for a moment, but it drives me crazy when women walk through doors to powerful positions opened by feminist activism and then criticize feminist discourse.

reminds me of phyllis schafly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>allow me to be cliché for a moment, but it drives me crazy when women walk through doors to powerful positions opened by feminist activism and then criticize feminist discourse.</p>
<p>reminds me of phyllis schafly.</p>
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		<title>By: John Isbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Isbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.</p>
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		<title>By: ms lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>ms lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>might i add &lt;a href="http://www.city-journal.org/html/12_3_the_end_of.html"&gt;another article&lt;/a&gt; to your moot-point list?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>might i add <a href="http://www.city-journal.org/html/12_3_the_end_of.html">another article</a> to your moot-point list?</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Amp!  I don't read/watch Fox news (being a technology-free Canadian and all..) so I don't know if they have letters to the editor, but if they do I think you should send in a non-blogisch version of that post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Amp!  I don&#8217;t read/watch Fox news (being a technology-free Canadian and all..) so I don&#8217;t know if they have letters to the editor, but if they do I think you should send in a non-blogisch version of that post.</p>
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		<title>By: dch</title>
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		<dc:creator>dch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"[McElroy] is, I think it's fair to say, one of the conservative movement's leading experts on feminism."

Y'know, that's one of the most damning things I've seen Amp say about the conservative movement. Probably true, too.

Oh, and there's a baseball team called the Marlins?! Who knew?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;[McElroy] is, I think it&#8217;s fair to say, one of the conservative movement&#8217;s leading experts on feminism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Y&#8217;know, that&#8217;s one of the most damning things I&#8217;ve seen Amp say about the conservative movement. Probably true, too.</p>
<p>Oh, and there&#8217;s a baseball team called the Marlins?! Who knew?</p>
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		<title>By: Pacific Views</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pacific Views</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Thursday Reading&lt;/strong&gt;
Wampum is back from vacation, and she talks about how terror sustains the administration and the new Bush tax cut. Liberal Oasis scores another good interview, this time with reporter Jason Burke of the Observer of London, who demolishes some myths abo...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Thursday Reading</strong><br />
Wampum is back from vacation, and she talks about how terror sustains the administration and the new Bush tax cut. Liberal Oasis scores another good interview, this time with reporter Jason Burke of the Observer of London, who demolishes some myths abo&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pacific Views</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pacific Views</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Thursday Reading&lt;/strong&gt;
Wampum is back from vacation, and she talks about how terror sustains the administration and the new Bush tax cut. Liberal Oasis scores another good interview, this time with reporter Jason Burke of the Observer of London, who demolishes some myths abo...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Thursday Reading</strong><br />
Wampum is back from vacation, and she talks about how terror sustains the administration and the new Bush tax cut. Liberal Oasis scores another good interview, this time with reporter Jason Burke of the Observer of London, who demolishes some myths abo&#8230;</p>
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