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	<title>Comments on: Defending Rachel Corrie (yet again)</title>
	<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/</link>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-39970</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 02:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-39970</guid>
		<description>What is this, Rob's alma maters day?  I went to Evergreen, too.  The only thing it did to this neocon was strengthen a budding recognition that declining to bathe is not a revolutionary act.  Just a stinky one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is this, Rob&#8217;s alma maters day?  I went to Evergreen, too.  The only thing it did to this neocon was strengthen a budding recognition that declining to bathe is not a revolutionary act.  Just a stinky one.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron V.</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-39966</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 01:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-39966</guid>
		<description>Well, at least "American Patriot" acknowledges the fact of natural selection, and thus, evolution.

American Patriot - do you believe that the 1700+ and climbing American troops killed in Iraq "made their choices and it killed [them]" to join the military, many under the corrupt, war-mongering George W. Bush and his wild animals named Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Feith?

And I know Evergreen State College - it will chew up and spit out neocon youth and send them running into the woods screaming for daddy to get them out of there....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least &#8220;American Patriot&#8221; acknowledges the fact of natural selection, and thus, evolution.</p>
<p>American Patriot - do you believe that the 1700+ and climbing American troops killed in Iraq &#8220;made their choices and it killed [them]&#8221; to join the military, many under the corrupt, war-mongering George W. Bush and his wild animals named Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Feith?</p>
<p>And I know Evergreen State College - it will chew up and spit out neocon youth and send them running into the woods screaming for daddy to get them out of there&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: alsis38.99</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-39949</link>
		<dc:creator>alsis38.99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-39949</guid>
		<description>What is it with trolls who dig up year-old-plus threads to shit on ?  

Do they have a singular obsession with one "enemy" (in this case, Corrie) and simply enjoy cyber-roaming from place to place at all hours, leaving bleakly interchangeable globs of excrement in every available open space ?  Is it a particularly specialized  hobby, like a philatelist who specializes in stamps of old fighter jets ?

Well, at least that would explain why it took Mr/Ms Patritroll so long to... errrr, respond to this thread.  I use the term "respond" loosely, since it's obvious that Mr/Ms Patritroll didn't actually read the thread.

Ho hum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it with trolls who dig up year-old-plus threads to shit on ?  </p>
<p>Do they have a singular obsession with one &#8220;enemy&#8221; (in this case, Corrie) and simply enjoy cyber-roaming from place to place at all hours, leaving bleakly interchangeable globs of excrement in every available open space ?  Is it a particularly specialized  hobby, like a philatelist who specializes in stamps of old fighter jets ?</p>
<p>Well, at least that would explain why it took Mr/Ms Patritroll so long to&#8230; errrr, respond to this thread.  I use the term &#8220;respond&#8221; loosely, since it&#8217;s obvious that Mr/Ms Patritroll didn&#8217;t actually read the thread.</p>
<p>Ho hum.</p>
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		<title>By: An American Patriot</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-39583</link>
		<dc:creator>An American Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-39583</guid>
		<description>Rachel Corrie was a terrorist enabling, socialist, Evergreen College dupe of the wild animal Palestinian fascist-islamic groups.

I blame Evergreen for allowing their students to indulge any notion that enters the ether of their unformed minds and the socialsits for using her death as a hammer (pun intended) to push their anti-American afenda that is thinly veiled as pacifism.

Rachel made her choices and it killed her.  There is no sypmathy, rather, it is called NATURAL SELECTION.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel Corrie was a terrorist enabling, socialist, Evergreen College dupe of the wild animal Palestinian fascist-islamic groups.</p>
<p>I blame Evergreen for allowing their students to indulge any notion that enters the ether of their unformed minds and the socialsits for using her death as a hammer (pun intended) to push their anti-American afenda that is thinly veiled as pacifism.</p>
<p>Rachel made her choices and it killed her.  There is no sypmathy, rather, it is called NATURAL SELECTION.</p>
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		<title>By: Raznor</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-10410</link>
		<dc:creator>Raznor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-10410</guid>
		<description>How sad it is when someone who I respect so much as a blogger like Kleiman writes something so repulsive.  It makes me feel so dirty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How sad it is when someone who I respect so much as a blogger like Kleiman writes something so repulsive.  It makes me feel so dirty.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-10411</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-10411</guid>
		<description>I appreciate your defense of Rachel. There are a number of eyewitness accounts that state that the driver clearly saw her, the pictures are gruesome. If folks truly want to find the truth they should contact their congressperson and ask them to support HCR 111 asking for a commision to investigate her death (something that previous administrations have done without congressional pressure when American citizens died in political action). Unfortunately, Kleiman has taken the path of character assasination rather than calling for inquiry into the facts surrounding Rachel's death.

you can link to information on HCR 111 at http://capwiz.com/adc/issues/alert/?alertid=1795771</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your defense of Rachel. There are a number of eyewitness accounts that state that the driver clearly saw her, the pictures are gruesome. If folks truly want to find the truth they should contact their congressperson and ask them to support HCR 111 asking for a commision to investigate her death (something that previous administrations have done without congressional pressure when American citizens died in political action). Unfortunately, Kleiman has taken the path of character assasination rather than calling for inquiry into the facts surrounding Rachel&#8217;s death.</p>
<p>you can link to information on HCR 111 at <a href="http://capwiz.com/adc/issues/alert/?alertid=1795771" rel="nofollow">http://capwiz.com/adc/issues/alert/?alertid=1795771</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nick Kiddle</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-10412</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Kiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-10412</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;The most that can be said against him is that he provided a floor for human rights activists like Corrie to sleep on, and that he's been a critic of Israel. And that he's Palestinian.&lt;/i&gt;
Scary, scary, scary.

Several years ago, I planned a comic which ended up shelved due to artistic differences with my proposed collaborator.  It was set in a dystopic future society, and featured a young woman with radical political views who kept open house for people who shared any or all of her views.  One of her houseguests turned out to be a suicide bomber, and after some investigation she was convicted of terrorist activities.

It was supposed to be satire.  It was supposed to be fiction.  It wasn't supposed to be a prediction of where we're heading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The most that can be said against him is that he provided a floor for human rights activists like Corrie to sleep on, and that he&#8217;s been a critic of Israel. And that he&#8217;s Palestinian.</i><br />
Scary, scary, scary.</p>
<p>Several years ago, I planned a comic which ended up shelved due to artistic differences with my proposed collaborator.  It was set in a dystopic future society, and featured a young woman with radical political views who kept open house for people who shared any or all of her views.  One of her houseguests turned out to be a suicide bomber, and after some investigation she was convicted of terrorist activities.</p>
<p>It was supposed to be satire.  It was supposed to be fiction.  It wasn&#8217;t supposed to be a prediction of where we&#8217;re heading.</p>
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		<title>By: kyan gadac</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-10413</link>
		<dc:creator>kyan gadac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-10413</guid>
		<description>It is terribly depressing that the Israeli army and the supporters of the Sharon government have taken to accusing all and sundry of anti-zionism. The blanket condemnations reveal a loss of reason that forbodes ill for the state of Israel. I think that the holocaust has inflicted a kind of cultural post traumatic stress syndrome which results in this knee jerk reactionism from many people whose only direct experience of the holocaust is through the media or, at best, family stories. This is not an unknown phenomenon - that people the furtherest away from a tragedy emote the most. 

But this kind of emotional blindness is rapidly leading Israel and it's supporters up a cul de sac where anti-zionism is being inflamed by the lack of responsiblity that Israel continues to display towards the Palestinians that were dispossessed by the creation of their state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is terribly depressing that the Israeli army and the supporters of the Sharon government have taken to accusing all and sundry of anti-zionism. The blanket condemnations reveal a loss of reason that forbodes ill for the state of Israel. I think that the holocaust has inflicted a kind of cultural post traumatic stress syndrome which results in this knee jerk reactionism from many people whose only direct experience of the holocaust is through the media or, at best, family stories. This is not an unknown phenomenon - that people the furtherest away from a tragedy emote the most. </p>
<p>But this kind of emotional blindness is rapidly leading Israel and it&#8217;s supporters up a cul de sac where anti-zionism is being inflamed by the lack of responsiblity that Israel continues to display towards the Palestinians that were dispossessed by the creation of their state.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Hayden</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-10414</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-10414</guid>
		<description>I found it interesting, in the examples you cited, that the IDF bulldozed the home of relatives of a guy they already killed in a manhunt after an attack he made in Sept or November of 2000... and the bulldozing took place in February of 2003!

Even if there could be a deterrent factor motivating the bulldozings, once the attacker has been killed, what deterrence can there be two years after his death?

Thus, in addition to the violation of the Geneva accords that you noted, there is simply no observable logic to some of the bulldozings.

Clearly, there is much glossed over in Israel's actions because we are allied with Israel. I do not blame the bulldozings on 'Israelis' any more than I blame our war in Iraq on you and me. The blame falls on Israeli leaders like Sharon. It may be true that many Arabs are so anti-Jew that all Israelis have an understandable sense of persecution, yet it's noteworthy that many maintain perspective and their humanity, while guys like Sharon use that persecution as a blank check to commit acts of brutality that deserve condemnation and prosecution.

And Corrie? She deserves far better, in life or in death, than she's gotten from her critics. Mark indicates he's deliberately waited a year to bring forth his critique yet has not delivered any fresh information to bolster his position. I remain baffled by his assertion and I do find it appalling as it stands. I'll be asking him to elucidate further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found it interesting, in the examples you cited, that the IDF bulldozed the home of relatives of a guy they already killed in a manhunt after an attack he made in Sept or November of 2000&#8230; and the bulldozing took place in February of 2003!</p>
<p>Even if there could be a deterrent factor motivating the bulldozings, once the attacker has been killed, what deterrence can there be two years after his death?</p>
<p>Thus, in addition to the violation of the Geneva accords that you noted, there is simply no observable logic to some of the bulldozings.</p>
<p>Clearly, there is much glossed over in Israel&#8217;s actions because we are allied with Israel. I do not blame the bulldozings on &#8216;Israelis&#8217; any more than I blame our war in Iraq on you and me. The blame falls on Israeli leaders like Sharon. It may be true that many Arabs are so anti-Jew that all Israelis have an understandable sense of persecution, yet it&#8217;s noteworthy that many maintain perspective and their humanity, while guys like Sharon use that persecution as a blank check to commit acts of brutality that deserve condemnation and prosecution.</p>
<p>And Corrie? She deserves far better, in life or in death, than she&#8217;s gotten from her critics. Mark indicates he&#8217;s deliberately waited a year to bring forth his critique yet has not delivered any fresh information to bolster his position. I remain baffled by his assertion and I do find it appalling as it stands. I&#8217;ll be asking him to elucidate further.</p>
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		<title>By: Yuryr</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-10415</link>
		<dc:creator>Yuryr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-10415</guid>
		<description>I just don't get it: what kind of "armed resistance" are palestinians engaged in apart from killing unarmed civilians?
What kind of "freedom fighting" you are standing for?
Will you resort to some sort of examples about blowing up Israeli checkpoints?
"Some palestinians blow up buses" - yes, and some cafes and some shooting at civilian cars etc. Where are the examples of legitimate and humane killing?
And what is the goal of this struggle? To free what land? is it only about jewish settlements in Gaza Strip or "all palestine land"? or 67-year boundaries? Can you be more specific please?
It is just happened to getting absurd in particular when people come to the point of the goal. Suddenly, people realise that "right of return" is an impossible option and trying to achieve is nothing but a stubborn violence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#8217;t get it: what kind of &#8220;armed resistance&#8221; are palestinians engaged in apart from killing unarmed civilians?<br />
What kind of &#8220;freedom fighting&#8221; you are standing for?<br />
Will you resort to some sort of examples about blowing up Israeli checkpoints?<br />
&#8220;Some palestinians blow up buses&#8221; - yes, and some cafes and some shooting at civilian cars etc. Where are the examples of legitimate and humane killing?<br />
And what is the goal of this struggle? To free what land? is it only about jewish settlements in Gaza Strip or &#8220;all palestine land&#8221;? or 67-year boundaries? Can you be more specific please?<br />
It is just happened to getting absurd in particular when people come to the point of the goal. Suddenly, people realise that &#8220;right of return&#8221; is an impossible option and trying to achieve is nothing but a stubborn violence.</p>
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		<title>By: Ampersand</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-10416</link>
		<dc:creator>Ampersand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-10416</guid>
		<description>Yuryr, there are frequently press reports of Palestinians either firing shots at or throwing stones at Israeli soldiers in the occuptied territories.

I don't think there are any examples of "legitimate and humane killing." I'm morally horrified by anyone who thinks that killing to protect land ownership makes sense, and that includes both Palestinians and Israelis. Nonetheless, while shooting at people is always moreally questionable, shooting at armed opponants is preferable to shooting at unarmed opponants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yuryr, there are frequently press reports of Palestinians either firing shots at or throwing stones at Israeli soldiers in the occuptied territories.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there are any examples of &#8220;legitimate and humane killing.&#8221; I&#8217;m morally horrified by anyone who thinks that killing to protect land ownership makes sense, and that includes both Palestinians and Israelis. Nonetheless, while shooting at people is always moreally questionable, shooting at armed opponants is preferable to shooting at unarmed opponants.</p>
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		<title>By: Sworn Enemy</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-10417</link>
		<dc:creator>Sworn Enemy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/04/09/defending-rachel-corrie-yet-again/#comment-10417</guid>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Show Your Support for a Great American Company</strong><br />
Once again the United Nations is blaming the wrong people for the problems in the Middle East. </p>
<p>A leading UN official has warned US manufacturer Caterpillar that it may be complicit in human rights violations in the West Bank and Gaza.</p>
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