And I don’t know enough about this method to truly understand it.

But, if the fetus is viable at that point, why not a c-sec if it is a matter of the moms life/health, or inducing birth.

I know there is something I am missing here…

Second of all, to quote from the judge’s summary of the medical evidence, “a hysterotomy is significantly riskier than a D&E and has serious implications for the woman’s future reproductive health.”

I did know that c-secs were risky—I studied up on it a bit when I was pregnant with my second and the baby didn’t turn (and c-sec was brought up) There are a whole host of problems, starting with death and going on to paralization, brain damage and up—as most of the problems are due to anethesia, I thought the risks would have been about equal. I take it is is also less risky than inducing labor also? It is more difficult to bear a smaller child as they don’t have the weight to press on the cervix to dialate it…and induced labors often lead to c-secs. But couldn’t one induce and then if the baby isn’t born naturally, move on to a d and e?

Sorry if these make me sound uneducated…

My focus is always on the health of the mother in its many forms. I am probably one of the few Orthodox Jews who would make such a statement, as my fear is that there is a slippery slope, and that slippery slope is to set the mother as nothing more than a vehicle to bear children.

IMHO abortion needs to be made unnecessary by advancements in science; making it illegal will help no one. Not even the one’s r2lers want to protect.

I’m not a doctor, unfortunately (well, unfortunately from the point of view of answering your questions, fortunately when you consider that I probably wouldn’t enjoy being a doctor). So I’m not super-confident about my answers to your questions.

However, from all the studies I’ve heard of, it’s clear that c-sec is much more dangerious than a D&E or D&X abortion. (Abortion is also safer than childbirth, according to most studies).

The best way to keep a woman safe during any such procedure is to do the procedure as quickly as possible with as little interference with her body as possible. A C-Section takes much longer to accomplish (meaning she has to be under the anethesia longer, increasing that risk) and involves cutting her open; it’s therefore much more problematic for the woman’s health than an abortion. A C-Section also typically will involve greater blood loss.

As for induction, so much depends upon the individual woman. If she has uterine scarring from a previous c-section or other complication, then the drugs given to her to cause contractions could cause her uterus to rupture along the scar. If she has any blood clotting difficulty, then the two-day induction procedure could cause dangerious bleeding (D&Es cause bleeding too, but if they’re properly performed it lasts much less long). “Women with cardiac or pulmonary disease, including asthma, also cannot tolerate excessive blood loss, because it causes excessive strain on their systems.”

There are also some conditions that make induction impossible, such as placenta previa.

Finally, as I understand it (and, again, I am not a doctor), a D&E is much less safe if it’s performed once labor has begun. Certainly, it seems self-evident that contractions and labor would make performing a D&E much more difficult.

The bottom line, for me, is that there are too many variables to make a single rule for all women. Maybe for some women, induction makes more sense. But I think the safest thing for women is for that decision to be hers (and her doctors), rather than it being made by Congress. (And I’m glad you agree).

For one, general anethesia is optional during an abortion (and definitely not during a c-section). A local that numbs the cervix is all that’s actually necessary.

In all the studies I’ve seen, an abortion is easier on the body and safer for a woman’s health than is labor/delivery, no matter the size of the fetus, and it’s definitely easier than invasive surgery that cuts through a woman’s abdominal muscles and uterus.

The other thing is that the vast majority of D&E abortions are not performed as a “birth control” issue (that is, women who simply do not wish to have a child, for whatever reason, tend to have an abortion much earlier and do not require a D&E). D&E is generally used for horribly malformed fetuses (that is, they have no brain beyond a brainstem, or other such complications) whose problems have not been detected until the second trimester. Usually they will not live to term, and some women choose to have an abortion rather than wait for the fetus to die inside them and having a stillbirth.

Asking a woman to go into induced labor and give birth for that would be (imo) cruel (not saying Rachel Ann is being cruel, but I felt this law was cruel). PC or not to say, it’s “easier” on these women to have a more clinical procedure since by losing a child they wanted they’ve already suffered enough.

“Maggie O’Farrell suffered three days of agonising labour before her consultant agreed to operate. Why, she asks, is the medical establishment so fixated on natural births?”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/women/story/0,3604,1221437,00.html

I would make the URL clickable if I knew how.

I also agree with you that the ideal situation would be one in which things never got to the point that an abortion was necessary. In my own case, I’ve known from a very young age that I did not want children, and I’ve always wanted to be sterilized, but most physicians will not sterilize a young, unmarried woman who has never had children because, they say, someday she might want kids and then what? And, unfortunately, sometimes birth control fails.

So, it’d be really very nice if it were possible to provide that women who do not wish to become pregnant, don’t.

I don’t think, though, that it will ever be possible to fully eliminate the need for abortion, unless we can somehow completely rule out severe birth defects and the like as well, or cases where women’s lives are severely endangered by their pregnancies.

Finally, one last personal story. My aunt was seven months pregnant just two years before Roe vs. Wade, and was in a automobile accident. The accident killed her unborn child, but because of the anti-abortion regulations in our state, she could not have it removed, and instead had to endure two weeks of knowing her baby was dead, inside her, until her body finally went into labor on its own (I really don’t know why labor wasn’t induced, though I thought she had once said it had something to do with the same anti-abortion laws, about not inducing a less-than-full-term birth).

That is horrible about your Aunt! abosoloutely horrible! What a cruel, vicious thing to do to someone.

You may be right, and it may be impossible to always eliminate abortion, but I do hope we can move a little closer to the goal. I guess I’m sort of an idealist.

This law was enacted with the goal of having it go to the Supreme Court. Everyone involved with it knew it would be found unconstitutional under existing law and precedent. This isn’t a hard case. The Supremes have already ruled on state-passed so-called PBA laws, and this one was no different. This was passed as a sop to religious conservatives, knowing it wouldn’t be enforced, and with the hope that it would rally the religious right at the voting booth.

As to Rachel wishing abortions could never be necessary — in the case of second trimester abortions it’s almost always because of an identified problem with mother or baby. In my very humble opinion, these are often morally the least objectionable abortions performed, as the life or health of either the mother or the fetus or both is often at stake.

The labor that is induced in a second trimester termination is harder because you have to use really high doses of drugs. Nonetheless, in most places, this is the favored practice. It expels an intact fetus and this is preferred. But for some women, it would be too hard, the drugs would be too much, or it’s just emotionally or physically unacceptable to go through a protracted labor and possible complications (like rupture). Hence, doctors feel the need for alternative procedures.