I don’t understand why people think spitting, hissing, and throwing disagreement around is really going to solve anything. Do you really think that going “Hm….” at someone and then spending the next three paragraphs basically saying that they’re the type of stupid person that started these problems. Or maybe it’s a better idea to drop harshly divergent opinions into a rather acidic place and pretend you’re just there to ’set the record straight’.

Either way, it’s not helping. Society has erected walls and stigmas for generations. It’s true, very few present-day people are responsible for a lot of these generalizations. They are responsible for the perpetuation. Everyone is. And as long as we keep fighting and “Hm…”-ing in our superior tones, we’re NEVER going to be able to stand together to take these things down.

The only role any person should have to fill is their own. They should not have to be afraid of filling this role. Don’t confuse filling your role with the evils some perform. Those acts are horrific retardations of a once simple trait. The issues hit all sides, and FOR that reason, we should unite and start solutions, not flinging accusations.

Snarky remarks are the start of bitterness. Bitterness is the start of resentment. Resentment is the start of hate… And hate hasn’t helped us yet…

[Troll disemvoweled by Amp.]

Men’s faults are generally blamed on women.

Example, response #8 by Steven Duncan stating that if a man shirks his household responsibilities, the woman should “put her foot down” or has “chosen the wrong man.” He is correct, and I believe every person is responsible for themselves. But let’s take it a step further - how long will it be the woman’s responsibility to put her foot down, demand things, train a husband? Not a good theory. Because when she married him, she didn’t sign up for a grown male child. This is old and tired. Do men really want to be seen as the child in the relationship? I doubt it.

I’ve seen every excuse for men’s behavior ranging from testosterone, (which, surprise, we all have) to the synapse in their brains. Why we can call simple disrespect and laziness by any other name is beyond me, because that is what it is. If a woman repetitively “chooses” a man who is violent or lazy, then it is blamed on her as well. Is it me, or is this perverse? No one chooses to be mistreated, and maybe the truth is that there are so few decent men that it’s easy to end up with a bad one without even trying.

If a female driver has an accident, it’s because she’s a bad driver (statistics show that most accident are caused by men) but if a man has an accident, it’s because he’s more aggressive and more likely to take risks. If a man has a barroom fight, it’s because he’s macho and cool. If a woman shows the slightest aggression, she’s a hysterical *****.

Men risk their lives in battle and are awarded, as they should be, but the risks women take, and the war zones they live in right here in-country, or in their own homes, earn them no recognition. A woman who is beaten for years on end and escapes with her children gets no medal. A woman who survives rape gets no medal. A woman risks her life to walk down the street for a carton of milk.

Which brings me to the perfect example that was stated on this post about women “whining about being born female” - funny, I saw it as place where women can thank God they’re female, because it takes a lot more strength to do the dirty work, a lot more strength to follow, and a lot more strength to swallow unfounded stereotypes than it does to sit around and call the shots like a toddler in a height chair. Doesn’t God have something to say about giving more responsibility to those who can handle it, and less to the weak? I can pretty much say that women are glad to be women, and the fact that a man can read these comments and see it as merely our complaining and not see it as being a really sad statement about half our population, pretty much says it all, doesn’t it?

I know if I were neither male nor female, but had the choice by reading this forum, I’d check off female in a second. I want to be the stronger, the one with the ability to reign in her emotions, the one with the quiet strength, and not the one who has to be taken by force to understand the idea of equality.

By the way, can everyone pretty much agree that most of the crimes are committed by men? Has any woman here ever thought for a second when they were alone at night that if men didn’t exist for just one night, they wouldn’t have to worry about being assaulted? No one would admit that, would they. I personally wouldn’t choose for them not to exist, as I like them aside from their faults, but come on…would be a nice place to visit, wouldn’t it?

And my big question to God would be, if I had only one, is how can a man watch just one hour of the news and still think he’s superior in any way? Do they already secretly believe they’re lower than us, and hence, all this one-upmanship? If it were the other way around, I’d be pretty ticked at my gender.

I don’t see little girls telling each other, “you throw like a boy, walk like a boy, cry like a boy….” This woman-hating nonsense starts very young. Girls just live and let live. Boys are born competing with them, while the girls just go along on their way. Could it be they’re be seeing something deeper? Why do they compete with us if they’re not threatened in some way, or if they’re not seeing that maybe we have some edge on them? Anyone wonder? We want to keep down those who threaten us, no?

And here’s another biggy - men are regarded as having the higher sex drive. If a woman sleeps around, she’s a slut, but if a man does, he has a high libido. A man does not have a higher sex drive and in fact, just as many women complain about not getting enough in their relationships as as men do. I, my sisters, and my girlfriends are personally tired of their indifference to sex. But because men dominate the media industry, most of what we are fed from TV is from their point of view, and it’s not just reality, but it’s THEIR reality. Not what really is, but what they wish to be true.

How many of us see daily, a love scene where the woman stops the man from committing the act and the camera pans to poor rejected man’s face who didn’t get any, as the woman pulls away? Her needs are basically never shown, don’t exist, period. Why would we do that, when it will only make the man look less virile? It’s a self-contained cell that feeds on itself.

In response to the comment that women should start voting for women if they want to earn more power? Huh? So like, would you vote for someone according to the fact that you both have an Italian grandmother, or brown eyes, or simply because of their color, as some African Americans do, in spite of their character and beliefs? I don’t think women are that shortsighted. If they were, then this would be a Female Privilege checklist instead, and I’d be telling all you men to stop whining and get back to the business of training your woman how to behave.

And one little tip to any man reading this about what women want, since it seems to be such a mystery - Compassion. Protectiveness. Generosity. Honesty. Self accountability. Performing simple tasks without being asked or begged or promised your favorite meal.

I do believe that women cannot and should not try to change men, as it’s not our place, will make you gray, and years have a way of passing quickly. But women do need to begin within themselves to act with the class and dignity they were born with and not sell out to what some men might want in order to please them, because we are shorting ourselves and doing the rest of woman-kind an injustice. Show your anger. Show your sex drive in a classy and cautious manner. Don’t act like an idiot for money on TV, just because the male director feels more comfortable with it. Singers, do like the men do, and sing about real life, gut-wrenching issues with feeling and not just about petty, silly nonsense because we’re afraid of being classified as angry. And lastly, don’t ever call a man a pig, because he interprets it to mean, “You men have a higher sex drive” and he always will.

As for the guy who whined about women whining - Why don’t you stop whining about women on posts like this and prove us wrong? If you did, then you’d be high above the average man and worth everyone’s respect.

As a male, I can rest in the assurance that if I write my opinion to persuade a foreign head of state, it will not end up in the garbage because of my sex.

(a good reason to use an alternative male spelling for your name; lol)

It amuses me how an aging man can be fat, wrinkled and bald and still considered distinguished; yet a woman who works at looking ‘credible’ for, say, a publically elected job, is scrutinized to pieces…and usually seen as obsessed with her appearance and stilted.

How many face jobs does it take for an aging woman to keep her credibility?

I found this list generally ofensive and one sided. Label me as a supresser if you will, but you’ve never been a man,

The author of the list is male.

16. As a child, chances are I was encouraged to be more active and outgoing than my sisters.
—-A sweeping generalization. In all cases i know, this is not true.

21. If I’m careless with my financial affairs it won’t be attributed to my sex.
—Sex has nothing to do with it. If you fuck up your financial situation, it’s your fault. It’ll be attributed to your intelligance.

22. If I’m careless with my driving it won’t be attributed to my sex.
—Once again, nothing to do with sex. It’ll be attributed to your intelligance.

28. If I’m not conventionally attractive, the disadvantages are relatively small and easy to ignore.
—-Try telling it to a small man with glasses.

41. I am not expected to spend my entire life 20-40 pounds underweight.
—True, but you’re not expected to be tall, handsome, or an athleate. I tell you, better where the times when it was intellect that was valued.

I found this list generally ofensive and one sided. Label me as a supresser if you will, but you’ve never been a man, and I’ve never been a woman, so I’d please ask you to stop acting like you know how it is.

I think this should be of concern to men, because it works against them. That if a woman is sad, the world stops. If a guy is sad, he has to “take it like a man” and just “get over it”. Demanding someone always have a pleasently carefree outlook is unrealistic. People have problems, and sometimes people are upset. It’s like, the only expression you can show to people is being mindlessly happy.

No wonder it’s so hard to find friendship, when everyone is playing beat around the bush about their true thoughts about things.

If so, why is this a privilege here when considered a negative on the other list?

It’s not the same deal. The male privilege applies only in areas such as childcare, which are presumed to be women’s competency. The white privilege applies to all areas. Also the marginally-competent male child-carer is less likely to be called a credit to his sex, because his sex is not regarded as needing credit.

There was one point I hoped someone could clarify for me. In the white privilege list the following privilege is listed:
“20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.”

My understanding of the above is that the praise is bad because it simply means people expected you to fail.

In light of this, I am unsure of item 11 on this list:
“11. If I have children and provide primary care for them, I’ll be praised for extraordinary parenting if I’m even marginally competent.”

Isn’t this just the same deal - abeit even worse since you just have to be “marginally competent” to out do peoples expectations of you.

If so, why is this a privilege here when considered a negative on the other list?

Yes… my father does this, and he’s been a stay at home dad for decades. I think it’s his way of coping with the role reversal, being able to say “At least I don’t ____. Only women _____.” I told him last week that I want to split household chores equally with my (theoretical) husband, and he pretty much said “good luck finding a guy who’ll put up with that, gay men don’t even like cleaning.”

Men are allowed to be loud. People may not like it, but they dont get sex oriented insults or labels meant to shame them into being quiet.

Men are also not called ball busters (for example) when they’re agrressive, and it IS considered a strength that men are admired for.

Donald Trump is an aggressive business man. Martha Stewart isnt MORE aggressive than Donald Trump, but her aggression is labeled as bitchy.

Being loud for a woman doesn’t always mean being LOUD. Usually it means the woman is merely louder than other women.

Not quite the same thing as being obnoxious.

“I can be loud with no fear of being called a shrew. I can be aggressive with no fear of being called a bitch. ”

I don’t find aggressiveness or loudness attractive qualities in either gender and I associate neither attribute with strength. I’m unhappy about the efforts of misguided feminists to “reclaim” “bitch,” along with the “a ‘bitch’ is just a strong woman” argument. That bad behavior is acceptable for memebers of one sex does not mean it should be for both.

Great list, btw.