Comments on: The Simpsons and SSM http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/ Feminist, anti-racist, pro-fat, plus whatever else we feel like talking about. Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:23:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: Jake Squid http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17845 Jake Squid Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17845 I don't have a problem w/ Homer surfing the net. After all, he was Mr. X for an episode. Patty has always been unconventional in a very conventional way. Therefore, depending on how it's done, I think I can accept her attempting to find a man & concluding that that's a failure before moving on to women. Unrelated female characters: Mrs. Krabapple Skinner's mom Lisa's teacher? (can't remember the name) Any of the Mayors many former dalliances Wow, what an unsatisfying list. I don’t have a problem w/ Homer surfing the net. After all, he was Mr. X for an episode.

Patty has always been unconventional in a very conventional way. Therefore, depending on how it’s done, I think I can accept her attempting to find a man & concluding that that’s a failure before moving on to women.

Unrelated female characters:

Mrs. Krabapple
Skinner’s mom
Lisa’s teacher? (can’t remember the name)
Any of the Mayors many former dalliances

Wow, what an unsatisfying list.

]]> By: Q. Pheevr http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17846 Q. Pheevr Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17846 I, for one, shall continue to hope, quietly and ineffectually, for the requital of Smithers's crush on Mr. Burns. I, for one, shall continue to hope, quietly and ineffectually, for the requital of Smithers’s crush on Mr. Burns.

]]> By: Amanda http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17847 Amanda Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17847 They've hinted around that Patty is a lesbian before. I imagine it will play out much differently than the blurb says. They’ve hinted around that Patty is a lesbian before. I imagine it will play out much differently than the blurb says.

]]> By: lucia http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17848 lucia Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17848 When I read this earlier, some one suggested Smithers would be the gay character. When I read this earlier, some one suggested Smithers would be the gay character.

]]> By: Raznor http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17849 Raznor Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17849 Requittal of Skinners' love would require Burns to show some humanity, and Burns is too funny as an inhuman monster for me to want that. Also Lisa's teacher is Ms Hoover. It has to be Patty. Remember the episode with the gay-pride parade when there's a float dedicated to in-the-closet gays, and it's Smithers and Patty hiding behind the doors? I don't find it unrealistic for someone to fail at all his/her relationships with members of the opposite gender before realizing he/she is homosexual. Society puts such a stigma on homosexuality that self-denial is all too common. So my overall reaction is: good for Matt Groening. I look forward to that episode. Requittal of Skinners’ love would require Burns to show some humanity, and Burns is too funny as an inhuman monster for me to want that.

Also Lisa’s teacher is Ms Hoover.

It has to be Patty. Remember the episode with the gay-pride parade when there’s a float dedicated to in-the-closet gays, and it’s Smithers and Patty hiding behind the doors?

I don’t find it unrealistic for someone to fail at all his/her relationships with members of the opposite gender before realizing he/she is homosexual. Society puts such a stigma on homosexuality that self-denial is all too common.

So my overall reaction is: good for Matt Groening. I look forward to that episode.

]]> By: alsis38 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17850 alsis38 Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17850 Smithers should forget all about Burns and instead set his eye upon Flanders. Smithers should forget all about Burns and instead set his eye upon Flanders.

]]> By: Tek http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17851 Tek Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17851 I'm unable to express the ridiculousness (sp?) of it being Selma. I love the Simpsons, but I shake my head at the tv-bound masses who will allow the Simpsons storylines to shore-up the assumption that lesbianism as alast resort. If men won't have her, certainly the lesbians will. Yeah right, you've seen Selma?! Anyway, I hope it's finally Smithers finding his soul mate and adopting the child that will house Mr. Burn's brain. I’m unable to express the ridiculousness (sp?) of it being Selma. I love the Simpsons, but I shake my head at the tv-bound masses who will allow the Simpsons storylines to shore-up the assumption that lesbianism as alast resort. If men won’t have her, certainly the lesbians will. Yeah right, you’ve seen Selma?!
Anyway, I hope it’s finally Smithers finding his soul mate and adopting the child that will house Mr. Burn’s brain.

]]> By: Dan J http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17852 Dan J Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17852 There was a slide of Patty coming out of the burlesque house smoking, as well (well, she's always smoking). This is no big revelation like Maude dying or something. There was a slide of Patty coming out of the burlesque house smoking, as well (well, she’s always smoking). This is no big revelation like Maude dying or something.

]]> By: Michael Jones http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17853 Michael Jones Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17853 Smithers? Worst. Outing. Ever. Patty is equally kind of obvious, but whatever. Rejected by men, though? Not really - she did the rejecting through declaring celibacy, no? Selma could always go see if Troy McClure needs another smokescreen for his unnamed guilty pleasures. Or Ned. Don't think he's gay, just real sensitive-like. I'd put better money on Seymour. The biggest surprise here would have to be Patty's bride-to-be. Ms. Hoover or Edna would be fine picks, I agree, although Edna and Patty would be the ultimate ball-busting man-hating lesbian couple, and I doubt the writers are eager to prop up that stereotype. Would be a good decoy plot line though. I bet they introduce a new character into the mix. It'll keep everyone guessing. Smithers? Worst. Outing. Ever.

Patty is equally kind of obvious, but whatever. Rejected by men, though? Not really - she did the rejecting through declaring celibacy, no?

Selma could always go see if Troy McClure needs another smokescreen for his unnamed guilty pleasures. Or Ned. Don’t think he’s gay, just real sensitive-like. I’d put better money on Seymour.

The biggest surprise here would have to be Patty’s bride-to-be. Ms. Hoover or Edna would be fine picks, I agree, although Edna and Patty would be the ultimate ball-busting man-hating lesbian couple, and I doubt the writers are eager to prop up that stereotype. Would be a good decoy plot line though.

I bet they introduce a new character into the mix. It’ll keep everyone guessing.

]]> By: alsis38 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17854 alsis38 Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17854 Wait ! Whatever happened to that nice divorced woman that did the Thelma & Louise take-off with Marge ? She was cool. Wait ! Whatever happened to that nice divorced woman that did the Thelma & Louise take-off with Marge ? She was cool.

]]> By: Amanda http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17855 Amanda Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17855 I think that the article writers might be mixing up Patty and Selma. Selma is the man-hungry one who keeps failing at love. Patty refuses to date men. I think that the article writers might be mixing up Patty and Selma. Selma is the man-hungry one who keeps failing at love. Patty refuses to date men.

]]> By: Richard Bellamy http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17856 Richard Bellamy Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17856 Most of my lesbian friends who I knew before they came out, dated a long string of the absolute loserlyish men around. I often wondered whether there wasn't some part of them that was picking the worst men available in an attempt to show themselves that men were the wrong choice. It works the other way, too, with gay men dating some absolutely horrifyingly unpleasant women before they came out. Self-sabotage, I'd say. Most of my lesbian friends who I knew before they came out, dated a long string of the absolute loserlyish men around. I often wondered whether there wasn’t some part of them that was picking the worst men available in an attempt to show themselves that men were the wrong choice.

It works the other way, too, with gay men dating some absolutely horrifyingly unpleasant women before they came out.

Self-sabotage, I’d say.

]]> By: karpad http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17857 karpad Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17857 hey hey, now~ Patty hasn't dated loserlyish men! Troy Mclure? awesome Principal Skinner? ... well... Bob "Sideshow" Tiwilliger? awesometacular. hey hey, now~ Patty hasn’t dated loserlyish men!
Troy Mclure? awesome
Principal Skinner? … well…
Bob “Sideshow” Tiwilliger? awesometacular.

]]> By: Crys T http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17858 Crys T Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17858 Actually, Karpad, it was Selma who dated (and married a couple of) those men. As someone above mentioned, Patty decided on celibacy a long while back. I don't know what to make of this new development, and like others am waiting to see how it's played out before I judge. I absolutely love the Simpsons, but they do occasionally piss me off. It does seem like in making Patty lesbian, they're propping up the stereotype of the woman so undesirable to men, she has to turn to women. I mean, every time she's on an episode, we're reminded via other characters' reactions of how physically revolting she's supposed to be. Actually, Karpad, it was Selma who dated (and married a couple of) those men. As someone above mentioned, Patty decided on celibacy a long while back.

I don’t know what to make of this new development, and like others am waiting to see how it’s played out before I judge.

I absolutely love the Simpsons, but they do occasionally piss me off. It does seem like in making Patty lesbian, they’re propping up the stereotype of the woman so undesirable to men, she has to turn to women. I mean, every time she’s on an episode, we’re reminded via other characters’ reactions of how physically revolting she’s supposed to be.

]]> By: NelC http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17859 NelC Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17859 What, lesbians can't be revolting? If they've got the right to be human beings, then they've got the right to have warts and all. What, lesbians can’t be revolting? If they’ve got the right to be human beings, then they’ve got the right to have warts and all.

]]> By: Maureen http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17860 Maureen Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2004/09/30/the-simpsons-and-ssm/#comment-17860 Wait--I had thought that Mayor Quimby would have been the one coming out, because if someone else were coming out, he could have done their ceremony. Wait–I had thought that Mayor Quimby would have been the one coming out, because if someone else were coming out, he could have done their ceremony.

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