I was raped because he saw me as his property. More precisely, he saw my body as his property. He wanted some, and would not take no for an answer. Why? My agreement was not required for my participation.

If he just wanted to get off, he could have taken care of that alone. Or he could have actually engaged me with some attention. But he was rather drunk.

I wasn’t there. He played with his vagina. I struggled but he was too strong. I cried. I could have really fought, but that could have led to some really brutal violence. As it was, he was not malicious — he just claimed ownership of me as if he were entitled.

Power. Control.

I’ve not seen him since then. It was a deep betrayal of our relationship, and it destroyed all trust I had for him. Since he wasn’t trying to take me down a peg or teach me a lesson or whatever, I feel I got away without experiencing the worst of sexual assault. But I make no mistake that this was all about sex. Just because he wasn’t trying to make a point about his power over me doesn’t mean he did not claim and exert it over me.

This isn’t about who does what to whom in prisons. Talk about a straw man! This is about the fact that 1/3 of the women today have been or will be raped in her lifetime. Many will not report it — because the system tends to treat the rape suspect as the victim, or because the rapist is her boyfriend or husband or father.

Imagine a particular kind of violent crime being perpetrated on 1/3 of all men, and nothing happening. No, I cannot imagine it, either.

Get with the program already !!

In my opinion, rape is about power and/or dehumanization (not accrediting human feelings and rights to your rapee), and the sexual release/gratification/whatever is simply window dressing.

I did–Amnesty does link to the states and the Bureau of Prisons. I suggest you take your own advice.

It’s funny how you guys always beleave [sic] what you read online is true.

Not true. I don’t believe you, after all. You haven’t provided any proof to your assertions. Instead, you give me some line about how you’ve “in prisons before” and act as though that should be enough. Sorry, but credible research and governmental agencies trump some random poster’s unsubstantiated claims any day.

I’ve seen many diffrent manuals, that would take lots of time and money to scan for you to read, but they all say females must guard females. It the same in the U.S. as it is in Canada, England, Germany, France, Spain, etc, etc, etc.

Translation: I don’t actually have the proof, Sheelzebub, I’m just talking out of my ass. I’d say the only one who’s full of shit is you, kiddo.

We have received significant information — including five of the Jane Doe affidavits and Case #22 in the ADOC Matrix — that female inmates’ privacy rights are violated by male correctional officers who, without good reason, engage in frequent, prolonged, close-up and prurient viewing of female inmates showering and using toilet facilities.

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Is there some distinction between a “guard” and a “correctional officer” that I’m missing? Are you claiming that the US Department of Justice is putting misinformation about American prisons on its webpage.

I could come up with more examples, but I won’t, because it would derail the thread.

Even if it’s just few times, does that make it ok for women to rape?”

How dare you!!

Women don’t rape!! It’s only men that rape. Women are innocent and you know it!!!

“My question is, why is it ok for females to guard females, but it’s ok for females to guard males? ”

Also how dare you imply that it’s not ok for women to guard men!!! Women have every right to guard men. Men should be pulled out of every female prison now!!

Women are harmless, it’s men we have to worry about!!!

It’s funny how you guys always beleave what you read online is true. I’ve worked in prisons before, I’ve seen many diffrent manuals, that would take lots of time and money to scan for you to read, but they all say females must guard females. It the same in the U.S. as it is in Canada, England, Germany, France, Spain, etc, etc, etc.

If you still doubt me, then get up from your chair, put on a coat if it’s cold outside, get in a car if you can drive, drive (or, walk) over to either a prison or a police station and ask them yourself. You think that everything you see on the internet is true. So insted, get up off your duff and go out there and see the real prisons and ask people who work there themselves. THat is the only way you can be sure of absolute truth otherwise what you are saying as a load of %%^&!!

If you are going to make assertions, I suggest you link to credible sites/studies to back them up, and not assign us homework. That’s not establishing your credibility on this issue–it’s only showing that you’re inept in debating.

If I want to eat fish, I’ll get some salmon, not the red herrings you’re offering.

In any event, while I do apologize, I’d note that while my posts may be “snarky,” much worse could be said in regards to 60 or 70% of the posts around here. Many of the regular posters here commonly fall back on ad hominem attacks, wild misstatements of the other side’s arguments or personal characteristics, unsupportable factual claims, and so forth.

[snicker] “artical” ? And why don’t you really want to ? Your whole modus operandi here seems to be that since some men get raped, any feminist precept you don’t like can be thrown into the trash like yesterday’s vegetable peelings. Really, if it’s all out there for the taking, feel free to share.

A variety of nations a long time ago decided upon having just females guarding females, if you want to debate this any farther, I sugggest you contact the various governments and ask them their rules governing prisions.

Ummm… No. This is your strawman, Jake. You’re responsible for its upkeep, not me.

I’ve already done my homework and I also live in reality too. While you want to get up in arms over one artical (Which puts forward some shady information), then you can, while the rest of us can move on.

Condescend much ? Why should I take your word over Sheelzebub ? At least she’s attempted to post some links, plus she can spell.

My question is, why is it ok for females to guard females, but it’s ok for females to guard males?

I don’t give a damn about your question. It’s a self-centered diversion of your own creation, not echoed by anything any feminist has said in this thread. Go spend an hour with spellcheck, why don’t you ? Your attempts at guilt-mongering and derailment of the main point are unwelcome, not to mention boring.

I seem to remember having some (at the time, I thought) brilliant insight on this matter, but it doesn’t come to mind.

What happens in rape is that a man gets sexual release. Mightn’t the overwhelming desire for sexual release play just the teensiest role?

I don’t agree with “overwhelming” (which implies that rapists would be unable to control their impulses, even if they wanted to) but obviously the desire for sex is what motivates many rapists.

However, since the huge majority of people experience sexual desire - and yet the huge majority 0f people don’t rape - I think an analysis that just says “they wanted sex” isn’t very useful.

Also, rapists are not exclusively (or even especially) men who can’t get sex any other way. The reason rape is strongly associated with football teams, frat houses, etc. isn’t that football players are especially unlikely to be able to have sex unless they force someone.

(IMO, the reason is that men who spend a lot of their lives in social groups in wihch “masculinity” is held as extraordinary important feel more pressure to - and entitlement to - prove their worth by getting “laid”).

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By the way, do you realize that your posts often have (or seem to have) a condescending attitude? I know you don’t post here very often, but when you do it always seems you’re being a bit snarky, and talking to me as if I must be an idiot (e.g., “Anyway, ever hear of the principle that correlation isn’t causation? “). I don’t agree with you; that doesn’t mean I’m a moron.

A variety of nations a long time ago decided upon having just females guarding females, if you want to debate this any farther, I sugggest you contact the various governments and ask them their rules governing prisions.

I’ve already done my homework and I also live in reality too. While you want to get up in arms over one artical (Which puts forward some shady information), then you can, while the rest of us can move on.

My question is, why is it ok for females to guard females, but it’s ok for females to guard males?