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	<title>Comments on: Final (?) Thoughts About Terri Schiavo</title>
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		<title>By: s.</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2005/03/21/a-few-essential-schiavo-links/#comment-30695</link>
		<dc:creator>s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to add to this as of AmpersandÂ´s personal comment because I keep wondering whether there has been a discussion on Mrs. SchiavoÂ´s medical history as a background to what her wish would have been in this matter. Terri Schiavo suffered from bulimia, a "pathology that involves body image and the desperate desire to appear thin." It is an expression of a strong need to control your body, your physical appearance, more than that of a "normal" personÂ´s concern. While it is a tragedy in itself that she suffered from bulimia wouldnÂ´t you assume that this former condition would imply an absolute horror to be held to life in a vegetative state with "strangers" (nursing personal, doctors...) having access to your body and your picture circulating around the world? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to add to this as of AmpersandÂ´s personal comment because I keep wondering whether there has been a discussion on Mrs. SchiavoÂ´s medical history as a background to what her wish would have been in this matter. Terri Schiavo suffered from bulimia, a &#8220;pathology that involves body image and the desperate desire to appear thin.&#8221; It is an expression of a strong need to control your body, your physical appearance, more than that of a &#8220;normal&#8221; personÂ´s concern. While it is a tragedy in itself that she suffered from bulimia wouldnÂ´t you assume that this former condition would imply an absolute horror to be held to life in a vegetative state with &#8220;strangers&#8221; (nursing personal, doctors&#8230;) having access to your body and your picture circulating around the world?</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 04:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a doctor. I am not a lawyer. I am however a mom. I love my children with all my heart. I feel deep sorrow for Terri's parents. I don't have to agree with what is going on with Terri. I can say that it is my opinion that her parents are seeing and hearing what they want to see and hear... their daughter. Because it is to painful to let her go, they hold on to her body. I can't say I agree with her husband. In closing, I hope and I pray I am never in the situation to have to make that kind of decision for one of my children. But I can tell you that if I did have to, I love them enough to find the strenth to do it. They do live on in our hearts. Their memory in life is far to precious to be replaced by a lifeless mind in a bed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a doctor. I am not a lawyer. I am however a mom. I love my children with all my heart. I feel deep sorrow for Terri&#8217;s parents. I don&#8217;t have to agree with what is going on with Terri. I can say that it is my opinion that her parents are seeing and hearing what they want to see and hear&#8230; their daughter. Because it is to painful to let her go, they hold on to her body. I can&#8217;t say I agree with her husband. In closing, I hope and I pray I am never in the situation to have to make that kind of decision for one of my children. But I can tell you that if I did have to, I love them enough to find the strenth to do it. They do live on in our hearts. Their memory in life is far to precious to be replaced by a lifeless mind in a bed.</p>
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		<title>By: secant</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2005/03/21/a-few-essential-schiavo-links/#comment-30019</link>
		<dc:creator>secant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The agendized far-right "whackos"  are supporting "life" and and do not have Terri Schiavo's best interests at heart.  She is second to their agenda.     They hear a  rallying cry and immediately gather and begin making nuisances of themselves.   They make ridiculous statements,  have no sense of propriety, and don't care who they hurt.    They are what they are and nothing will change them.  (Many of them seem to be "ciphers" who depend on these melodramatic moments to feel alive and important.)

Of greater concern is the general ignorance of "regular folks" who refuse to educate themselves.   Rather, they take an easy mental leap and "put themselves" in the situation in question and then (superficially and without specific information) determine "how they would feel if it happened to them."  

They cannot conceive of "nothingness" because it is a difficult exercise, so they cannot believe that Terri has "no thought."    Therefore, they cannot conceive of eyes that do not see,  ears that do not hear,   a mouth that does not speak, a throat that does not swallow, a mind that has no thought, and a body that moves at random, all as permanent conditions.  

Likewise, they cannot conceive of going without food and water (because they have experienced hunger and thirst in their past and it is quite uncomfortable) so they determine that going without these basics is "torture."

While it is easy to understand the separate concepts of  &lt;strong&gt;handicapped conditions   &lt;/strong&gt; such as  "blindness" (because they have seen blind people who function at a reduced level), and "deafness"  (because they have seen deaf people function at a reduced level), and the "inability to walk" (because they have seen people in wheel-chairs), and "mental retardation" (because they have seen the mentally retarded function at a reduced level), but it is much more difficult to get it through their heads  that a person without a functioning cerebral cortex is not merely "handicapped" but simply does not exist as a person.

There is an almost "storybook" flavor to this bizarre situation, as if Terri Schiavo is merely a "sleeping princess" who will eventually wake up and give an  exclusive  to  perky Katie Couric by chowing down a veal cutlet with asparagus,  then spend an hour telling Barbara Walters what she thought about during those 15 years of persistent vegetative state, and then hit Oprah and Dr. Phil to explain how she dealt with 15 years of peeing and pooping in bed and how she really feels about Michael and  her parents.   

Sadly, this is not a &lt;em&gt;reality &lt;/em&gt;show, but &lt;strong&gt;real&lt;/strong&gt; reality, otherwise known as life.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The agendized far-right &#8220;whackos&#8221;  are supporting &#8220;life&#8221; and and do not have Terri Schiavo&#8217;s best interests at heart.  She is second to their agenda.     They hear a  rallying cry and immediately gather and begin making nuisances of themselves.   They make ridiculous statements,  have no sense of propriety, and don&#8217;t care who they hurt.    They are what they are and nothing will change them.  (Many of them seem to be &#8220;ciphers&#8221; who depend on these melodramatic moments to feel alive and important.)</p>
<p>Of greater concern is the general ignorance of &#8220;regular folks&#8221; who refuse to educate themselves.   Rather, they take an easy mental leap and &#8220;put themselves&#8221; in the situation in question and then (superficially and without specific information) determine &#8220;how they would feel if it happened to them.&#8221;  </p>
<p>They cannot conceive of &#8220;nothingness&#8221; because it is a difficult exercise, so they cannot believe that Terri has &#8220;no thought.&#8221;    Therefore, they cannot conceive of eyes that do not see,  ears that do not hear,   a mouth that does not speak, a throat that does not swallow, a mind that has no thought, and a body that moves at random, all as permanent conditions.  </p>
<p>Likewise, they cannot conceive of going without food and water (because they have experienced hunger and thirst in their past and it is quite uncomfortable) so they determine that going without these basics is &#8220;torture.&#8221;</p>
<p>While it is easy to understand the separate concepts of  <strong>handicapped conditions   </strong> such as  &#8220;blindness&#8221; (because they have seen blind people who function at a reduced level), and &#8220;deafness&#8221;  (because they have seen deaf people function at a reduced level), and the &#8220;inability to walk&#8221; (because they have seen people in wheel-chairs), and &#8220;mental retardation&#8221; (because they have seen the mentally retarded function at a reduced level), but it is much more difficult to get it through their heads  that a person without a functioning cerebral cortex is not merely &#8220;handicapped&#8221; but simply does not exist as a person.</p>
<p>There is an almost &#8220;storybook&#8221; flavor to this bizarre situation, as if Terri Schiavo is merely a &#8220;sleeping princess&#8221; who will eventually wake up and give an  exclusive  to  perky Katie Couric by chowing down a veal cutlet with asparagus,  then spend an hour telling Barbara Walters what she thought about during those 15 years of persistent vegetative state, and then hit Oprah and Dr. Phil to explain how she dealt with 15 years of peeing and pooping in bed and how she really feels about Michael and  her parents.   </p>
<p>Sadly, this is not a <em>reality </em>show, but <strong>real</strong> reality, otherwise known as life.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2005/03/21/a-few-essential-schiavo-links/#comment-29670</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yehudit: CodeBlueBlog is not a particularly credible source. They've run articles claiming that Clinton has AIDs, and that's just the start of their weirdness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yehudit: CodeBlueBlog is not a particularly credible source. They&#8217;ve run articles claiming that Clinton has AIDs, and that&#8217;s just the start of their weirdness.</p>
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		<title>By: cc</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2005/03/21/a-few-essential-schiavo-links/#comment-29459</link>
		<dc:creator>cc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not the evangelicals--it's the Catholics. The Schindlers' lawyer even used that line of reasoning--allowing her to die is against what the Pope has degreed, so it shouldn't be allowed. This is arguing that the views of religious leaders should take precedence over legislated law--an Islam idea, to be sure, but not an American one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not the evangelicals&#8211;it&#8217;s the Catholics. The Schindlers&#8217; lawyer even used that line of reasoning&#8211;allowing her to die is against what the Pope has degreed, so it shouldn&#8217;t be allowed. This is arguing that the views of religious leaders should take precedence over legislated law&#8211;an Islam idea, to be sure, but not an American one.</p>
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		<title>By: Yehudit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yehudit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the CAT scan: &lt;a href="http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2005/03/csi_medblogs_co.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;You're wrong.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the CAT scan: <a href="http://codeblueblog.blogs.com/codeblueblog/2005/03/csi_medblogs_co.html" rel="nofollow">You&#8217;re wrong.</a></p>
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		<title>By: s.</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2005/03/21/a-few-essential-schiavo-links/#comment-29419</link>
		<dc:creator>s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;"And then I'd really be gone, gone even from the memories of my friends and relatives, removed from their brains in favor of an empty shell. It's hard for me to imagine anything more gruesome."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

that was a very powerful remark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;And then I&#8217;d really be gone, gone even from the memories of my friends and relatives, removed from their brains in favor of an empty shell. It&#8217;s hard for me to imagine anything more gruesome.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>that was a very powerful remark.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Theodore Galkowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Theodore Galkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the comment on media responsibility in this case for incomplete reporting, when the big story broke last Friday, most news outlets weren't including the March 17th appeal by the Schindler's to the U.S. Supreme Court and the Court's refusal to hear. That was true even of Voice of America. 

I finally had to complain to them about leaving that detail out, and painting the scene as if there was this sole state judge in Florida who was doing this, with the Florida governor, Congress, the President, and the nation disagreeing.

I also think more people should read the &lt;i&gt;Cruzan v Director&lt;/i&gt; &lt;a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&#38;court=us&#38;vol=497&#38;page=261" rel="nofollow"&gt;decision from the Supreme Court&lt;/a&gt; [&lt;i&gt;Cruzan v. Director, MDH&lt;/i&gt;, 497 U.S. 261 (1990)] before they go flapping their mouths off about what's in the Constitution and what isn't.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the comment on media responsibility in this case for incomplete reporting, when the big story broke last Friday, most news outlets weren&#8217;t including the March 17th appeal by the Schindler&#8217;s to the U.S. Supreme Court and the Court&#8217;s refusal to hear. That was true even of Voice of America. </p>
<p>I finally had to complain to them about leaving that detail out, and painting the scene as if there was this sole state judge in Florida who was doing this, with the Florida governor, Congress, the President, and the nation disagreeing.</p>
<p>I also think more people should read the <i>Cruzan v Director</i> <a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&amp;court=us&amp;vol=497&amp;page=261" rel="nofollow">decision from the Supreme Court</a> [<i>Cruzan v. Director, MDH</i>, 497 U.S. 261 (1990)] before they go flapping their mouths off about what&#8217;s in the Constitution and what isn&#8217;t.</p>
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