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	<title>Comments on: More about Terri&#8217;s Brain and Diagnosing PVS</title>
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		<title>By: Kristina</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2005/03/31/more-about-terris-brain-and-diagnosing-pvs/#comment-31221</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ginmar Writes: 

April 4th, 2005 at 6:57 am 
Come on now, yourself, Tom. I guess MS took that nursing course because it was inconveniant to him. 

Or so he could learn more about the dying.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ginmar Writes: </p>
<p>April 4th, 2005 at 6:57 am<br />
Come on now, yourself, Tom. I guess MS took that nursing course because it was inconveniant to him. </p>
<p>Or so he could learn more about the dying&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: moe99</title>
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		<dc:creator>moe99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2005 15:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alice, I think Michael, as the person who gave the most time and attention to Terri over this hellish 15 years, wanted to be with her when she died and not subject him or her to her parents or her brothers' ranting at him.  I doubt that they could have controlled themselves at this point and it would have simply made the 3 ring circus the Schindlers created even more bizarre and unbearable.  Note that the Schindlers spent little time w/ Terri's body to begin with, and had indicated that if they did wrest guardianship away from Michael, they were in turn going to vest it in one of their other kids, because they couldn't or wouldn't handle it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alice, I think Michael, as the person who gave the most time and attention to Terri over this hellish 15 years, wanted to be with her when she died and not subject him or her to her parents or her brothers&#8217; ranting at him.  I doubt that they could have controlled themselves at this point and it would have simply made the 3 ring circus the Schindlers created even more bizarre and unbearable.  Note that the Schindlers spent little time w/ Terri&#8217;s body to begin with, and had indicated that if they did wrest guardianship away from Michael, they were in turn going to vest it in one of their other kids, because they couldn&#8217;t or wouldn&#8217;t handle it.</p>
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		<title>By: ginmar</title>
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		<dc:creator>ginmar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Come on now, yourself, Tom.  I guess MS took that nursing course because it was inconveniant to him.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on now, yourself, Tom.  I guess MS took that nursing course because it was inconveniant to him.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2005 01:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;the court's rulings on withdrawal of her feeding tube have always been reflective of Terri Schiavo's wishes, not her husband's &lt;/em&gt; Come on, now. The rulings have been based on what her husband (and selected friends) have &lt;em&gt;asserted&lt;/em&gt; to be her wishes. Those assertions weren't made until several years had elapsed, by which time her life had become inconvenient to her husband.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>the court&#8217;s rulings on withdrawal of her feeding tube have always been reflective of Terri Schiavo&#8217;s wishes, not her husband&#8217;s </em> Come on, now. The rulings have been based on what her husband (and selected friends) have <em>asserted</em> to be her wishes. Those assertions weren&#8217;t made until several years had elapsed, by which time her life had become inconvenient to her husband.</p>
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		<title>By: alice</title>
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		<dc:creator>alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2005 02:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's all over now, regardless. But what do you make of the husband's refusal to have  her brother in the room (with an officer) while she took her last breaths? He refused the parents entry as well.  They were only allowed to "visit the body" afterwards. For me,  this is unconscionable and cocky and cowardly.  If she truly wasn't cognizant, why not just let the parents have her? But I suppose that's the atheist in me talking. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all over now, regardless. But what do you make of the husband&#8217;s refusal to have  her brother in the room (with an officer) while she took her last breaths? He refused the parents entry as well.  They were only allowed to &#8220;visit the body&#8221; afterwards. For me,  this is unconscionable and cocky and cowardly.  If she truly wasn&#8217;t cognizant, why not just let the parents have her? But I suppose that&#8217;s the atheist in me talking.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to make sure credit goes where its due, there are two Kevins at Lean left now -- me and Kevin T. Keith.  KTK did the post linked above, and two other really excellent pieces on the issue that Amp was good enough to link to earlier.

OT: barbara -- what makes the Roayl College immune to the kinds of conflcits of interest that can bedevil American research?  Do they not have political pressure and/or take contributions form medical companies? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to make sure credit goes where its due, there are two Kevins at Lean left now &#8212; me and Kevin T. Keith.  KTK did the post linked above, and two other really excellent pieces on the issue that Amp was good enough to link to earlier.</p>
<p>OT: barbara &#8212; what makes the Roayl College immune to the kinds of conflcits of interest that can bedevil American research?  Do they not have political pressure and/or take contributions form medical companies?</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this discussion has gotten pretty idiotic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this discussion has gotten pretty idiotic.</p>
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		<title>By: Decnavda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Decnavda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What all of the fancy analysis above fails to ackowledge is that during the past two weeks, Terry Schiavo was showing far more brain activity than the average member of Congress.  Would you be willing to pull the pull on them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What all of the fancy analysis above fails to ackowledge is that during the past two weeks, Terry Schiavo was showing far more brain activity than the average member of Congress.  Would you be willing to pull the pull on them?</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A slightly unrelated comment.  When trying to figure out whether I needed treatment for a particular condition, for which there were some controversial options, I was able through the internet to find a summation by the Royal College of all the known studies, and recommendations about what constitutes a reasonable clinical approach for that condition.  When you get sick of all the conflict of interests infecting American medicine, it's nice to know that you sometimes have access to resources of other countries, and they can be very illuminating. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A slightly unrelated comment.  When trying to figure out whether I needed treatment for a particular condition, for which there were some controversial options, I was able through the internet to find a summation by the Royal College of all the known studies, and recommendations about what constitutes a reasonable clinical approach for that condition.  When you get sick of all the conflict of interests infecting American medicine, it&#8217;s nice to know that you sometimes have access to resources of other countries, and they can be very illuminating.</p>
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