Amanda it is a shame that more folk here don’t seem to hear what you are saying. The current system does not work for anyone, most importantly the children. Stop looking at your spouse and start looking at your government.

Childish and petulant might be a more apt description.

I don’t think announcing that you’re only present on another person’s blog for your own amusement, and will leave when the people present cease to be entertaining, is very bright, much less “civil and reasonably stated.”

If we add to that, “You’ve become tedious and shrill” there wouldn’t be many posters left.

I found some of David’s comments distasteful, but generally civil and reasonably stated.

Yeah, it’s so funny, all those men making laws that deny women their rights! It’s all the feminists’ fault. That totally makes sense.

Which is really a misleading statement. Because it doesn’t really matter who is in charge.

Then fork over the government, fuckwit. Doesn’t matter? Hand over the goddamn keys now. Give it up. Let’s see what happens when we get women controlling things like abortion and BC and EC and shit like that. C’mon, babe, bring it on. Let’s prove it, right here and now.

What matters is who is pulling their strings. And in terms of social issues regarding man/woman relations it’s been all feminists all the time.

Hey, pal? I guarantee that if feminists were controlling things, that for starters no pharmacist anywhere in this country would so much as think of denying BC, abortions would be federally funded–and pretty damned rare, because we wouldn’t have this stupid abstinence only shit. Rapists would get arrested, and convicted—for a nice change of pace. Wife-beaters would get arrested long before they turned into wife-killers. Half the damned TV stations, half the radio stations, and half of everything would be liberal—-and real liberal, not just the kind that guys think will get them laid. If you opened a fucking newspaper, you’d see more than All White Guys, All The Frickin’ Time. Women wouldn’t have to starve themselves to be ‘attractive’ and men would have to appeal to women. Womens’ magazines would cover issues other than men. Women wouldn’t have to stay with men who abused them, and men who whine about on site job deaths would have to share those damned jobs—which are pretty damned high-paying—with women for a change. Half the House and Senate, needless to say, would be female. We’d have our first female President. Suddenly, a view of the world that wasn’t All White Guy, All The Time would prevail. In other words, women would actually have some say in what goes on, instead of having to pathetic trolls whine about conditions that prove them wrong. Oprah Winfrey? Oprah Winfrey? Hey, I know. How about I take that style of reasoning and point to OJ when it comes to summing up the condition and lives of men, okay?

Is that enough of a clue?

What I really want to know is if these fools actually believe this crap. I mean, come on—How could anybody with a brain stem believe this crap? I swear to God—what the fuck? The Feminist Illuminati? How pathetic does a guy have to be to whine that the world is secretly controlled by women? Because you know that women who secretly pull the strings would do in such a way as to leave women everywhere in dire straits. Like if we got power the first thing we wouldn’t do wouldn’t be something practical and helpful—-like helping other women. In terms of conspiracy theories, it’s like the lowest of the low.

$5.00 says he tries to whine about combat next. Bring it on, dude. Bring it on.

Also? I just love it when they bitch about the death gap. Yeah, river, cry me, one of—–you know the drill. You’re responsible for your own death gap there, babe. All that ill-gotten power must be pretty stressful when you keep trying to wiggle out of all the responsibility that comes with it, and then try to stand on the people you’ve victimized and blame them for your sorry ass state. You made your own ulcer.

This forum serves my amusement for the moment. When it ceases to amuse me I will move on.

No, actually, it’s when you cease to amuse me that you move on. (Unless PA disagrees with me, of course.)

You’ve become tedious and shrill, David. Please don’t post on this website anymore.

Don’t forget prostitution!

Wait….

Finally, WTF, dude?

Your arguments have been pretty odd for awhile now, but this is the first time I’ve been genuinely baffled.

Yes, Oprah is really, really wealthy, really, really successful, and also a black woman. Her example is a very unusual one; it’s like concluding from Condoleeza Rice’s achievements that most black women are Secretary of State. And if you knew the first damn thing about her life, you wouldn’t be using her as an example of how misogyny isn’t commonplace. Bill Gates could probably afford to support all of the children of divorced parents in this country all the way through four years at an Ivy-League school of their choice. Do his financial circumstances mean that child-support payments would not be at all burdensome to you? You’re both white and male, after all.

Are you going to retract your insult?

[To the tune of "I Love Trash" as sung by Oscar the Grouch]

Oh, I love trolls
Anyone sexist, rude and patronizing
Anyone spamming porn or advertising
Yes, I love trolls !!

I have here a troll with a rank song and dance
Its brains are located way down in its pants
I’ve read better prose in a Cartland romance
I love it ’cause it’s a troll !!

Oh, I love trolls
Anyone fighting the war from his armchair
Anyone clueless on choice or on childcare
Yes, I love trolls !

Now trolls are diverse
They have rich, varied lives
Be they gun-freaks or Rand-ies or “surrendered wives”
Yet one feminist thought makes ‘em drop dead from hives
I love ‘em because they’re trolls !

Oh, I love trolls
Any triathelete of hate, greed and misquotes
Any ass blaming the world’s ills on my votes
Yes, I love trolls !!

So it’s evil to feed ‘em and pointless to vent
Sure, it drags down our discourse 100%
Still, if you can’t shell out for both cable AND rent
You’ll love ‘em because they’re trolls !!

(last chorus same as the first)

Ampersand - remind us again: hosting such people, making them feel welcome, helps progressive causes (in general) & women (in particular) *how* exactly?

Jabes: The contradiction is well understood. i.e. Oprah Winfrey, a black woman, has accumulated more wealth, economic and social power by virtue of the vast corporate media empire she controls than the vast majority of men on the planet will ever have. To them this is simply proof that men are all about raping, beating and otherwise oppressing women.

But indulge me just a moment. Let’s look at the latest: “Witch burning is to misogyny & wife beating as the Holocaust is to anti-semitism (which *was* a prevailing social norm for a very long time indeed).”

It’s not about “winning.” C’mon. I love this stuff. Where else can you go and get comments like this delivered non-stop for free? You are correct though, a “win” might involve saying something like ‘men should be gutted like pigs and their entrails set afire.’ Now that’s entertainment!

Toumas, in a rather semantically unambiguous way says ‘fuck you and don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out’

Take a good look in the mirror and your previous comment (the amusement one), and then figure out why I said what I said.

Witch burning is to misogyny & wife beating as the Holocaust is to anti-semitism (which *was* a prevailing social norm for a very long time indeed).

Which is really a misleading statement. Because it doesn’t really matter who is in charge. What matters is who is pulling their strings. And in terms of social issues regarding man/woman relations it’s been all feminists all the time. Besides, men might hold places of power, but men also occupy the lowest positions in life: garbage men, commercial fishers (who are the highest death occupation and drownings a terrible way to go), construction workers, poultry workers (who constantly lose limbs & fingers due to a speed quota), etc…
Men make up 95% of workplace deaths, 75% of violent crime victims, and die 7 years sooner, and die more often from most major diseases due to their being socialized to abuse their bodies to provide for their families.
If you want to argue with these types of people you have to:
#1 illustrate how feminimism has hurt men, women & children
#2 sarcastically display all of radical feminist’s hypocrisy
#3 and mock mock mock
Just as in my most excellent post #321. If any1 wants to argue they should take a look at that.

Look Cheryl, your ignorance of English common law, or of the any number of queens that have ruled prior to 1800, is relevant if you continue to make statements like that. I provided you with text of the ACTUAL DOCUMENTS that proves women could own property and money, had standing under the law, and the law, rather than proclaiming women should be beaten, actually shows compassion.

History is full of anomalies and atrocities that we could cite at great length, including immense slaughter and enslavement of men throughout history. That women died as accused witches does not evidence a social norm of wife beating any more than the Holocaust is evidence of a prevailing social norm of murdering Jews, Catholics, homosexuals, and whomever else the Nazi’s targeted.

Toumas, in a rather semantically unambiguous way says ‘fuck you and don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out’ yet the claim is that it is me who is angry or having a tantrum. Go figure. I understand that you don’t agree with me but third-rate, half-baked, personal attacks come off as desperate attempts to save face.

I know a load of crap when i see it yet I make a reasonably civil attempt to point out the flaws in your arguments. If you think I should have all the answers to every gripe everyone has about men or fathers you are not being realistic.