Is it your “fault” if you are robbed at gunpoint, because you dress well and have a wallet? The robber couldn’t help himself or something? That’s not the way the law views it, needless to say. Rape should be viewed no differently.

I should say full nudity is not allowed, no genitalia can be shown.

But they do allow females to go topless just like males can do.

Is this an apology for the fiction you produced in comment 520?

Write up the thread and email it to Amp. He likes interesting guest threads.

:)

I would really like it if someone would start a thread on “dating,” since it’s really a separate topic, but it keeps coming up, and it’s a major concern for some folks around here.

There’s also a bit in Hal Draper’s The New Student Revolt (unfortunately, I’ve lost my copy, so I don’t have the exact wording) that most people learn to gain knowledge outside formal education, but the surprising thing for students at UC Berkeley in the 60s was that they had to gain knowledge despite formal education.

Aegis to Nephandus:
I am afraid that you will find that most of the posters here don’t understand concepts like reading with charity or intellectual honesty. They won’t be constrained by “male-defined”? notions of civility, dontcha know?

I’m in the same boat as Aegis and Pseudo-Adrienne in that a lot of what interests me is new to me; I’m 18. I don’t often contribute here because I get far more out of it from reading and learning than adding my voice in the “yay I agree” category. What I don’t understand is how someone so young, so clearly still being educated, can be so arrogant when it comes to describing a bunch of feminists and pro-feminists who have consistently made intelligent critical points based on (legitimate) feminist readings of posts. That comment completely sums up the idea of “male civility” he mocks within it; open your mind Aegis. It is possible people aren’t agreeing not because there’s some feminist conspiracy to read into your postings uncharitably, but because they genuinely don’t agree.

I can deal with people who’ve never read books. What do you do when they read t hem and get them all wrong? I don’t understand that concept.

I thought it was cute when he said that he was a Women’s Studies grad student and now an “ex-feminist” or whatever. So much for that and obviously he didn’t learn anything. His ‘blaming the sexually aggressive female victim’ arguments certainly shows that he didn’t learn a damn thing. Talk about pissing away money, years, and some professor’s time for nothing. Ha!-ha! Oh these idiots make me giggle—and not in a “happy” kind of giggle either.

Every single time I see this argument whipped out, I am awestruck–how dumb, seriously, do you have to be not to see the simple solution to this supposedly widespread problem of women saying no when they mean yes? You take her at her word, dipshits. She’ll learn fast enough not to say no when she means yes if she’s not getting laid. Every single man I’ve ever been with stopped doing what he was immediately upon even a sound from me that could conceivably indicate discomfort and asked if I was okay, and that was mid-coitus, so you can’t tell me that men are such slaves to sex that they can’t possibly be expected to stop even at mixed signals. Don’t like mixed signals? Then don’t date women who give them off. Simple as that.

Another part of what I’m talking about are women (usually young women) who use sexual enticement followed by denial, or even forms of ridicule, to see how far they can push a partner who they can clearly see desires them ““ using sexual enticement to deliberately cause another person to appear foolish or submissive, with the stated or implied contract that if their partner does what they say, they will get some kind of sexual attention.

Indeed, it is true that many rapists are out to punish women for making them feel lust, which they interpret at weakness. Funnily enough, they tend to interpret absolutely all of the victim’s behavior as mockery and teasing, mostly so they can feel that they were justified in their brutality. This is true of ordinary rapists and of child-rapists as well. Many criminal justice experts point out that you can get a confession from a child rapist by suggesting to him that his victim was teasing him and trying to seduce him–say out loud what he’s saying to himself and voila! You have someone who starts spilling the beans. But we all know that children aren’t generally in the business of teasing adults sexually, so we react to these justifications as the nonsense they are. But when the victim is a woman, all of a sudden our common sense flies out the window.