http://www.cafepress.com/Herbal_Tee

http://isuer.com/2007/11/27/make-abortion-available-to-all-then-work-to-decrease-need/

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The most obvious example is China. If the obligation to abort a child the mother wants to bear is “pro-choice” I’m an African elephant.

But when we in the United States move towards requiring every pregnant woman to have a test for Down Syndrome in the fetus, and we increasingly collectivize the payment for health care, how long will it be - indeed, the day is upon us - when women who, in possession of this information but who choose to have the baby anyway - are penalized, or, worse, the children are penalized, in the form of diminished opportunities for health care afterwards?

Choice has got to mean just that: that the mom has the choice, and that we will back her up, whatever her decision.

I don’t view abortion as a choice that must never be made. There are many times when the needs of the woman involved outweigh the need of the fetus, and abortion is the least-bad choice of the choices that can be made.”

The “parameter” that women should ONLY be able to choose abortion when her needs or health is jeopardized is a violation of that right to control her body. The only parameters that need to be set on a woman’s ability to get an abortion should be regarding how late in her pregnancy she is. Other than that, our lives should be about choice and it seems that the argument you present implies that women and men have the right to control their bodies up until the point that women’s anatomy differs from men’s.

In addition, abortion may be the least bad choice to be made in several instances. For example, if a young girl living in poverty was pregnant and couldn’t get an abortion, her standard of living would probably be worsened by having to support someone else in addition to herself. Also, if a woman clearly has no desire for a baby, then bringing an unwanted baby into her world is a bad choice that might even lead to neglect or abuse of that baby.

I think there is a great point made here in that much of the value a woman places on her fetus should be directly related to her right to decide whether to continue or discontinue her pregnancy. I don’t think, however, that choosing to keep or abort a pregnancy is solely dependent on this black and white economic model. Even if a woman assigns a low value to her fetus, it would still be possible for her to choose adoption after she gives birth. Additionally, I feel that regardless of the value assigned there should be some parameters regarding low late in a pregnancy a woman can choose abortion. These factors, and possibly others, should play into the decision to continue or discontinue the pregnancy.

What is right and what is wrong transcends how people feel.

I know at this point these comments are arguments against each other’s comments are arguments against each other’s comments, but I would like to discuss the actual posted article.

As a nineteen year old college student, I can wholeheartedly agree with this comment here. God-for-bid some unexpected occurrence were to happen and i were to find myself pregnant, I would hope that I could make my own decision regarding to resolving the issue. The baby would in no way, at this point in my life, bring me joy. I am a motivated student with a life still ahead of me and plans I would like to carry out before I even think of having kids. A child would completely ruin my goals and ambitions in life. The author of this article is correct in stating that a baby brings joy to some, while not to others as well. Every person’s life situation is different and just because one woman is elated to be pregnant doesn’t mean another feels the same.

This argument is irrelevant. You are comparing two completely different subjects here. Although they do both deal with death, they arise from completely different situations. A woman should have a right to chose whether or not to abort a baby, just as someone should have the right to chose to die peacefully. Having a baby at a time that is not right in a woman’s life could forever harm not only the woman herself, but also her baby. The upbringing of an unwanted child will be much different than a planned, wanted child. Every situation with abortion is different, I realize that. Some women may be just as qualified as the next to have a baby, but that’s not you or anyone else’s call. As far as euthanasia stands, if someone id terminally ill, it should be left up to their discretion as to what to do. Yes, at some point, we all will become old and weak. If we truly feel this way about our viewpoints, so be it that they are the end of us. At least we stand by our words until the death of us.

I don’t see any value in assigning certain rights to a fetus if the minute a baby is born, these rights become conditional upon whether the baby is male or female. I don’t yet know the gender of my child but I want him or her to have full bodily autonomy throughout his or her life. I know others don’t think this way and perhaps that is part of the obsession with human “potential” so evident in pro-life thinking - the unknown fetus might be male, rather than a breeder whose individual status always hangs in the balance.

Jacqueline’s comments about “euthanasia” reflect her ignorance on the issue. Euthanasia is when action is taken to end the life by someone else. I’m pretty sure she’s referring to assisted suicide, within the Right to Die movement, which is a completely different issue and process. Euthanasia occurs when we take our animals to the vet to be “put down”, and within capital punishment, when we end the lives of criminals with lethal injection. Assisted Suicide is a self-directed option available to those who have illnesses or conditions which present a prognisis of unrelenting suffering or loss of function which is intolerable for them. They are provided with the means for suicide after painstaking evaluation and treatment to relieve their suffering. Most do not follow through, but they report a sense of peace with the knowledge that they have the option. I personally do not support euthanasia for human beings, preferring hospice and palliative care, but I wholeheartedly support a persons choice in how they die, when death and/or suffering are inevitable. I think it is very important to understand the difference between these ideas, as it is a debate that will be on the national table over the next 10 years.

Thanks for the opportunity to share in your thoughtful discussion.

Nick is unique to the point where no one will ever have her fingerprint or DNA

… That’s assuming she doesn’t have an identical twin, in the case of DNA, and really, a fingerprint is a lousy criteria for uniqueness. A person’s unique value is determined by more things than having an unique DNA (placentas have unique DNA, you don’t see the pro-life movement fighting for placentas rights).

Because Robert is an intelligent person and not given to verbal flatulence. Why are you so eager to say “nothing to see here, move along” when he makes a point you dislike, in order to call attention to the points you like?

If not aborted (and not killed by natural causes) the sperm/egg combo with genetic blueprints to decide everything about a person will undoubtable grow into a person.

That second if is a pretty big one. I read earlier in my pregnancy that one in six clinically recognised pregnancies end quite naturally before the end of the first trimester. And that’s not even counting the sperm/egg combos that fail to implant and disappear without becoming a pregnancy.

That being the case, I can’t see anything special about a fertilised egg, and certainly nothing to justify imposing on a woman the responsibility of acting as life-support for nine months.