Comments on: Iran Executes Gay Teenagers

By: The Mahablog » Responsibility

The Mahablog » Responsibility — Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:50:03 +0000

[...] have time, although some lefties have spoken out against human rights abuses in Iran — here and here are two examples. I send a small donation monthly to Amnesty International because human [...]

By: JN1034

JN1034 — Sun, 17 Jun 2007 07:54:01 +0000

Thanks for posting this, but these atrocities are worldwide and millions go undocumented. What is done to gays physically in some countries is done to them here also. The US gov’t doesn’t recognize gays as having representation by and protection under federal law. Only some states provide equal and equitable rights to gays. We watch these foreign crimes against humanity and forget they’re happening right here at home as well. Great blog.

By: owukori

owukori — Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:24:36 +0000

this is the reality of being a lesbian outside of the Western World - it’s a death sentence, a life in hiding, being ostracised, condemned, hated, stoned, hung.

By: arturo fernandez

arturo fernandez — Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:02:56 +0000

It is bad enough to have to put up with the nonsense coming from bigots on the Right, some of who venture here sometimes (John Howard, Op-Ed, On Lawn). But it is specially frustrating when the pro-gay side makes nonsense statements that advance their bigotted arguments. Referring to these two boys who were executed as “gay” does such a thing. These boys could have been gay, we don’t know. Most likely, though, they were not. At that age, boys often fool around with each other, even if they’re straight. In prison, heterosexual males have sex with each other. They are not “gay” because of it. By labelling these boys “gay,” we are promoting the lie that gay-equals-sex and that sex is all there is to being gay. The bigots want to define us by the sex we have. Let’s not help them along.

By: Alex Elliott

Alex Elliott — Mon, 08 Aug 2005 18:28:25 +0000

I dont think we need worry about ‘BILD’ lysis,

There are millions of people from all walks of life condemning Iran for there crimes, I notice that the Press worldwide have now taken up the story,

By: Lonestar

Lonestar — Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:10:32 +0000

What a terrible thing to have to witness! Sickening really! May God (Allah) in all His Compassion right this horrible travesty of jusice. And for you right wingers out there, may your shoes be too small for your feet.

By: Lysis

Lysis — Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:47:32 +0000

Germany, sweet land of the judges and hangmen

Everybody has condemned the execution of two teenagers in Iran. Everybody? No, there’s one exception: Europe’s biggest newspaper, the German tabloid “BILD“. On July 27 it featured the following story:

Translation:
Here two…

By: Guy

Guy — Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:53:32 +0000

Tich..Tich..Tich…. All preposterous… Execution and killing of one own species, because of being different just proves that man is doing whatever he could to be GOD… For example, all these fundies, of whatever religion, whether Christianity or Islam, are classic examples of proving to the world that they are at par with God, which I for one totally disagree, so as with many of you. Life is full of colour, God created all these colours, Islam as well as Christianity celebrates this differences in Nature, why don’t they start accepting that Homosexuality is not a sin, nor a disorder but a different nature which some of us are (un) fortunate to be born with. CELEBRATE LIFE AS IT IS… GAY, STRAIGHT OR CONFUSED… Join our hands together and put, not a stop on these people, but a harsh control on them… I somewhat have a strong feeling that fundies put out these strange and inhumane measures on people with a difference just to suppress their own tendencies to commit the same, as they would called, crimes. I know of an Imam in Pakistan, who touches young boys while teaching in the madrasa, and some of these young boys will often engage with him in sexual acts. Later, he will condemn it in front of everyone in the mosque of such acts as haram. See how hypocritical people can be…. This is nothing; in fact this is just the tip of the Iceberg. Look at the thousands of Catholic priest who are charged with child molestation in the recent past. All Fundies are deviant people who themselves need to see a shrink… We can live without them.

I have friends in Iran, who give me first hand information of what is happening there. I often feel sorry for them… I often offered to help them, unfortunately they cordially decline it, as I would have done out of Love for my own fatherland. I have three gay friends, one from Shiraz, another from the capital Tehran and the other from Esfahan. I feared for their security, but with pride they all told me that If death has to happen it will happen… no matter what… we will all go down someday. I pray for them, for their well being, and I hope that one day, they and along with my other Persian friends will Live a Life they often dream of.

People, there is no point in just sitting around and discuss these issues. Nothing is going to come out by you sitting there and reading all this… Yes it is good to be informed, but please for the Love of God, and for Man Kind, let us all stop thinking and talking… LET US ACT…

By: Lysis

Lysis — Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:24:58 +0000

Linkdump

English:

A gay Iranian speaks
Wikipedia: Homosexuality and Islam
Muslim Sexual Ethics (Brandeis University)
Excerpts from an online diary by a young Iranian lesbian
Marriage, Adultery and Homosexuality by Faris Malik (Queer Jihad)
Mahin, mothe…

By: Sydney

Sydney — Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:45:55 +0000

No Amp, you’re right. This is your space and I apologize.

Sarah perhaps you should just say “i’m not going to answer that on the grounds that I already did. See coment #13″.

By: Ampersand

Ampersand — Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:31:36 +0000

For now on, just say “learn to fucking read you lazy git” in response to anyone who posts an idiotic response to the statement “There’s no difference”.

Actually, please don’t do that, on threads started by me - I’d prefer people attempt to remain polite in their direct responses to other “Alas” posters, even when responding to things they don’t agree with.

(Of course, that’s just me. I don’t claim that there’s any reason for you to pay attention to my preferences when looking at threads started by other folks.)

By: Sarah in Chicago

Sarah in Chicago — Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:22:25 +0000

Ah, gotcha piny … that does make sense, because it seemed strange initially for you to be seemingly defending a comment like the above :)

By: Alex Elliott

Alex Elliott — Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:07:10 +0000

THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT ARE A DISGRACE TO THE WORLD AND AN INSULT TO MAN.

The two executions of these youths for being ‘gay’ is a crime against humanity

Thankfully, the world has condemned their actions and Diplomatic relations between the rest of the world and Iran could soon be in tatters

Campaigning does work, Please all keep it up

By: piny

piny — Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:43:41 +0000

Because Lilith is a compulsive contrarian who can’t ever resist calling other people out on the slightest hint of privilege, even when those people are (for example) complaining about the enormous privilege of distancing oneself from the repercussions of one’s hatred.

That’s just a guess, mind.

By: Sarah in Chicago

Sarah in Chicago — Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:21:01 +0000

opps, that should read ‘comment’, not ‘question’ (that’ll teach me to type while thinking of lunch)

By: Sarah in Chicago

Sarah in Chicago — Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:17:39 +0000

piny, then why the bloody dumbarse question? (taking Sydney’s advice here)

By: piny

piny — Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:13:00 +0000

>>Okay, I’ve said it before in this thread, and I’ll say it again … that was not what my point was about. It was about the motivations of those that would do such a thing and the social environment that is created. Therein lies the lack of difference. >>

I’m sure Lilith is familiar with the idea of a continuum of behaviors arising from the same underlying hateful beliefs.

By: Sydney

Sydney — Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:30:52 +0000

Sarah: don’t even worry about it. If people actually read the comments they would know exactly what you meant. And if people actually read your post and, you know, THOUGHT about it, they would know exactly what you meant.

For now on, just say “learn to fucking read you lazy git” in response to anyone who posts an idiotic response to the statement “There’s no difference”.

By: Sarah in Chicago

Sarah in Chicago — Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:12:55 +0000

Funny, I bet Iranian gay teens can see a real difference.

*pounds her own head against a wall, repeatedly*

Okay, I’ve said it before in this thread, and I’ll say it again … that was not what my point was about. It was about the motivations of those that would do such a thing and the social environment that is created. Therein lies the lack of difference.

By: Lysis

Lysis — Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:56:59 +0000

The Repression in Iran

What, then, of the executions of homosexuals in Iran between 1979 and 1984? The problem is a confusion of terms, because the “homosexuality” meant in Iran is far different from the western concept of it. In Iran “homosexuality”…