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	<title>Comments on: Ellen Sauerbrey and the UN Population Fund</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Bellamy</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2005/11/16/1955/#comment-86403</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Bellamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;With all due respect, Richard, I think your point really does nothing to defend the IWF position I was criticizing in this post. &lt;/i&gt;

I'm not sure the IWF position is worth defending.  

From my personal view, I just don't see how "uncoercive" abortion can possibly be in a country like China with such a strong cultural bias permitting gender selection abortions.  Just like an American woman doesn't need to be kicking and screaming to be raped, the fact that a Chinese woman walks into a clinic on her own and requests an abortion of her female fetus does not make her decision "unforced" when she knows what everyone else in the family will think about her giving birth to a second daughter.

In my view, the unspoken view was probably that the funds were withheld because the UNFPA does anyabortion at all -- coerced or not, and the forced abortion was just a pre-text.  My point is only, why do I care?  If my town has two abortion clinics run by two different companies, and one closes down based on rightwing lies, and the other opens a second clinic to replace it, why should I waste my time on the issue?

Since U.S. contributions weren't going to China anyway, even when they were contributing to the UNFPA, the critique is essentially that the U.S. is doing lots of non-abortion family planning, and the UNFPA will be required to do more abortion family planning.  It just works out to a different division of labor?

  I have seen to evidence that USAIDS does a bad job of what it does.  Is your concern really just an inefficient allocation of resources?   If so, I can point you to a number of more egregious examples than a world with two independent family planning organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>With all due respect, Richard, I think your point really does nothing to defend the IWF position I was criticizing in this post. </i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure the IWF position is worth defending.  </p>
<p>From my personal view, I just don&#8217;t see how &#8220;uncoercive&#8221; abortion can possibly be in a country like China with such a strong cultural bias permitting gender selection abortions.  Just like an American woman doesn&#8217;t need to be kicking and screaming to be raped, the fact that a Chinese woman walks into a clinic on her own and requests an abortion of her female fetus does not make her decision &#8220;unforced&#8221; when she knows what everyone else in the family will think about her giving birth to a second daughter.</p>
<p>In my view, the unspoken view was probably that the funds were withheld because the UNFPA does anyabortion at all &#8212; coerced or not, and the forced abortion was just a pre-text.  My point is only, why do I care?  If my town has two abortion clinics run by two different companies, and one closes down based on rightwing lies, and the other opens a second clinic to replace it, why should I waste my time on the issue?</p>
<p>Since U.S. contributions weren&#8217;t going to China anyway, even when they were contributing to the UNFPA, the critique is essentially that the U.S. is doing lots of non-abortion family planning, and the UNFPA will be required to do more abortion family planning.  It just works out to a different division of labor?</p>
<p>  I have seen to evidence that USAIDS does a bad job of what it does.  Is your concern really just an inefficient allocation of resources?   If so, I can point you to a number of more egregious examples than a world with two independent family planning organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: Ampersand</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2005/11/16/1955/#comment-86334</link>
		<dc:creator>Ampersand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 21:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that's true - although since the aid is now being disbursed through the US government, it's more politicized, and also goes to fewer of the most needy places. I'd also argue that moving money from a group with a long track record of effectiveness, to a brand-new group, is seldom a way of making sure money is well spent.

With all due respect, Richard, I think your point really does nothing to defend the IWF position I was criticizing in this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that&#8217;s true - although since the aid is now being disbursed through the US government, it&#8217;s more politicized, and also goes to fewer of the most needy places. I&#8217;d also argue that moving money from a group with a long track record of effectiveness, to a brand-new group, is seldom a way of making sure money is well spent.</p>
<p>With all due respect, Richard, I think your point really does nothing to defend the IWF position I was criticizing in this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Bellamy</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2005/11/16/1955/#comment-86285</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Bellamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it not the case that the withheld $34 million was in fact given to USAID for their family planning programs?  

The result was not less family planning, but merely a different allocation of  those resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it not the case that the withheld $34 million was in fact given to USAID for their family planning programs?  </p>
<p>The result was not less family planning, but merely a different allocation of  those resources.</p>
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