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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 04:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don't have to defend her, flea. (I don't like her either, so it's a bipartisan Coulter-disdain.) 

But I don't think that "liberal men" make jokes about sexual abuse. Men with really bad values do. For some reason, at least some men with really bad values feel the need to camouflage themselves by pretending to be liberal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t have to defend her, flea. (I don&#8217;t like her either, so it&#8217;s a bipartisan Coulter-disdain.) </p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think that &#8220;liberal men&#8221; make jokes about sexual abuse. Men with really bad values do. For some reason, at least some men with really bad values feel the need to camouflage themselves by pretending to be liberal.</p>
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		<title>By: flea</title>
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		<dc:creator>flea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 03:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish liberal men would stop with the hilarious jokes about sexually assaulting Ann Coulter. I loathe being put in the position where I have to defend her. And I will defend her, even though I know full well she'd have no problem letting my ass swing in the wind.

But as &lt;a href="http://www.thewindingsheet.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Portia&lt;/a&gt;  once said, "I don't have to like her to want her to be free."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish liberal men would stop with the hilarious jokes about sexually assaulting Ann Coulter. I loathe being put in the position where I have to defend her. And I will defend her, even though I know full well she&#8217;d have no problem letting my ass swing in the wind.</p>
<p>But as <a href="http://www.thewindingsheet.com" rel="nofollow">Portia</a>  once said, &#8220;I don&#8217;t have to like her to want her to be free.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Elena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a big to-do on Pandagon recently when a male poster said something about b-ffing Coulter and got called on it. He was confused about why women were "defending" Coulter, but eventually he seemed to get it. My two cents is that if a man can understand why it is inappropriate to attack Justice Clarence Thomas by calling him the N-word, then he can transpose this knowledge to why it is inappropiate to talk about raping Ann Coulter, let alone actually do it to her effigy. Creepy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a big to-do on Pandagon recently when a male poster said something about b-ffing Coulter and got called on it. He was confused about why women were &#8220;defending&#8221; Coulter, but eventually he seemed to get it. My two cents is that if a man can understand why it is inappropriate to attack Justice Clarence Thomas by calling him the N-word, then he can transpose this knowledge to why it is inappropiate to talk about raping Ann Coulter, let alone actually do it to her effigy. Creepy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would make it interesting.

http://1290whio.com/info/alec.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would make it interesting.</p>
<p><a href="http://1290whio.com/info/alec.html" rel="nofollow">http://1290whio.com/info/alec.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: sparkane</title>
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		<dc:creator>sparkane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for Rob.

http://www.odps.org/glossword/index.php?a=term&#38;d=8&#38;t=2437

(That was the first link to a google search with the terms: "cabin boy" gay.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for Rob.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.odps.org/glossword/index.php?a=term&amp;d=8&amp;t=2437" rel="nofollow">http://www.odps.org/glossword/index.php?a=term&amp;d=8&amp;t=2437</a></p>
<p>(That was the first link to a google search with the terms: &#8220;cabin boy&#8221; gay.)</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless there are connotations I don't know about, it seems like calling him a cabin boy is calling him a servant, not a homosexual.

Off topic:  I love the word asshat, where did it come from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless there are connotations I don&#8217;t know about, it seems like calling him a cabin boy is calling him a servant, not a homosexual.</p>
<p>Off topic:  I love the word asshat, where did it come from?</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting about Sean Penn's comment. I read about it in Salon's "The Fix" and it really bothered me then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting about Sean Penn&#8217;s comment. I read about it in Salon&#8217;s &#8220;The Fix&#8221; and it really bothered me then.</p>
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		<title>By: gengwall</title>
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		<dc:creator>gengwall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 14:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Alec left the country. I sure need to keep up my entertainment...err...polititainment news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Alec left the country. I sure need to keep up my entertainment&#8230;err&#8230;polititainment news.</p>
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		<title>By: silverside</title>
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		<dc:creator>silverside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alec Baldwin, despite his "lefty" credentials, is also closely linked to the Fathers Rights movement, which tends to be pretty conservative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alec Baldwin, despite his &#8220;lefty&#8221; credentials, is also closely linked to the Fathers Rights movement, which tends to be pretty conservative.</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You see a lot of this crap in comments on Artios and other mainstream lefty blogs.  I think that some of this has to do with how very right wing the political spectrum is in the US.  By most measures, democrats are very center right, if not just right wing while the republicans are far right.  So people supporting the democrats can also be pretty right wing. And sexism and right wing politics go hand in hand.

I find this kind of thinking to be very frustrating.  Every time somebody writes "Anne Coulter is so ugly."  "Anne Coulter is a man."  "Manne Coulter has an adams apple!" etc etc, it is contrary to left wing political goals.  Every time somebody judges her by her looks and uses an ad hominem attack against her, it advances her goals.  She argues for a world where women are judged by her looks and her detractors are often willing to give her that.  Again, I think this is because most democrats aren't left at all, they're just not as far right as Bush.  And maybe they only care because their own wages are falling and they're totally happy with supremacy of their race, class and sex.  They're happy living in a rape culture and "violating" Coulter.  It's fucked up.

The US is in desperate need of a real left wing.

(&lt;a href="http://www.berkeleynoise.com/celesteh/podcast/?p=16" rel="nofollow"&gt;I have my own response to Coulter&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see a lot of this crap in comments on Artios and other mainstream lefty blogs.  I think that some of this has to do with how very right wing the political spectrum is in the US.  By most measures, democrats are very center right, if not just right wing while the republicans are far right.  So people supporting the democrats can also be pretty right wing. And sexism and right wing politics go hand in hand.</p>
<p>I find this kind of thinking to be very frustrating.  Every time somebody writes &#8220;Anne Coulter is so ugly.&#8221;  &#8220;Anne Coulter is a man.&#8221;  &#8220;Manne Coulter has an adams apple!&#8221; etc etc, it is contrary to left wing political goals.  Every time somebody judges her by her looks and uses an ad hominem attack against her, it advances her goals.  She argues for a world where women are judged by her looks and her detractors are often willing to give her that.  Again, I think this is because most democrats aren&#8217;t left at all, they&#8217;re just not as far right as Bush.  And maybe they only care because their own wages are falling and they&#8217;re totally happy with supremacy of their race, class and sex.  They&#8217;re happy living in a rape culture and &#8220;violating&#8221; Coulter.  It&#8217;s fucked up.</p>
<p>The US is in desperate need of a real left wing.</p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.berkeleynoise.com/celesteh/podcast/?p=16" rel="nofollow">I have my own response to Coulter</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: feminist blogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>feminist blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;getting right to the heart of the matter. Do I agree with everything Andrea Dworkin stood for? Well, I don't know since I've read so little of her work. But I intend to change that situation. The first book of hers I'm going to read is Life and Death.Lefty men can still be full of macho sexist shit (celeb edition) Hollywood activist SEAN PENN has a plastic doll of conservative US columnist ANN COULTER that he likes to abuse when angry. The Oscar-winner actor has hated Coulter ever since she blacklisted his director father LEO PENN in her book TREASON. And he&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->getting right to the heart of the matter. Do I agree with everything Andrea Dworkin stood for? Well, I don&#8217;t know since I&#8217;ve read so little of her work. But I intend to change that situation. The first book of hers I&#8217;m going to read is Life and Death.Lefty men can still be full of macho sexist shit (celeb edition) Hollywood activist SEAN PENN has a plastic doll of conservative US columnist ANN COULTER that he likes to abuse when angry. The Oscar-winner actor has hated Coulter ever since she blacklisted his director father LEO PENN in her book TREASON. And he<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Liberal Blogosphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liberal Blogosphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;»Lefty men can still be full of macho sexist shit (celeb edition)&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->»Lefty men can still be full of macho sexist shit (celeb edition)<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: The Uncommon Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Uncommon Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;it and being it are too different things" (which links this post, in some ways, to the post on the 11th. "Lefty" celebrities may be able to speak-out publicly about liberal issues, but it doesn't mean that they completely "get it". via Alas, A Blog -Lefty Men Can Still Be Full of Macho Sexist Shit&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->it and being it are too different things&#8221; (which links this post, in some ways, to the post on the 11th. &#8220;Lefty&#8221; celebrities may be able to speak-out publicly about liberal issues, but it doesn&#8217;t mean that they completely &#8220;get it&#8221;. via Alas, A Blog -Lefty Men Can Still Be Full of Macho Sexist Shit<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: feminist blogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>feminist blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;right to the heart of the matter. Do I agree with everything Andrea Dworkin stood for? Well, I don’t know since I’ve read so little of her work. But I intend to change that situation. The first book of hers I’m going to read is Life and Death.Lefty men can still be full of macho sexist shit (celeb edition) Hollywood activist SEAN PENN has a plastic doll of conservative US columnist ANN COULTER that he likes to abuse when angry. The Oscar-winner actor has hated Coulter ever since she blacklisted his director father LEO PENN in her book TREASON. And he&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->right to the heart of the matter. Do I agree with everything Andrea Dworkin stood for? Well, I don’t know since I’ve read so little of her work. But I intend to change that situation. The first book of hers I’m going to read is Life and Death.Lefty men can still be full of macho sexist shit (celeb edition) Hollywood activist SEAN PENN has a plastic doll of conservative US columnist ANN COULTER that he likes to abuse when angry. The Oscar-winner actor has hated Coulter ever since she blacklisted his director father LEO PENN in her book TREASON. And he<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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