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	<title>Comments on: White Guys Gone Wilding?</title>
	<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/</link>
	<description>Feminist, anti-racist, pro-fat, plus whatever else we feel like talking about.</description>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-111251</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 20:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The five convicted in the Central Park Case were not found innocent. Their convictions were vacated by a judge. He accepted the district attorney's theory that the five were too busy beating up other people in the park that night to have attacked her</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The five convicted in the Central Park Case were not found innocent. Their convictions were vacated by a judge. He accepted the district attorney&#8217;s theory that the five were too busy beating up other people in the park that night to have attacked her</p>
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		<title>By: cherryl</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-105438</link>
		<dc:creator>cherryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-105438</guid>
		<description>"Snitching is to incriminate other people, which attorneys often advise their clients to do after negotiating with prosecutors. No one has a right, with or without an attorney, to withhold incriminating information about a crime involving other people."

Elena, I beg to differ. In the hood, "snitchin" means telling whatever you know. Whether or not it's incriminating. It's just spilling the beans, whether you're a witness, receiver of hearsay, etc. and if you tell you are done. Period. 

The term wilding (properly pronounced "whylin") is an early hiphop term that was in use way before the police used it, for just someone acting out of control. Similiar to the term "buggin" but with a different connotation. 

I remember the Central park jogger case, and i don't know if anyone else has brought this up - lot of comments here - but many years later the accused boys were found innocent - http://www.nodeathpenalty.org/newab027/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Snitching is to incriminate other people, which attorneys often advise their clients to do after negotiating with prosecutors. No one has a right, with or without an attorney, to withhold incriminating information about a crime involving other people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Elena, I beg to differ. In the hood, &#8220;snitchin&#8221; means telling whatever you know. Whether or not it&#8217;s incriminating. It&#8217;s just spilling the beans, whether you&#8217;re a witness, receiver of hearsay, etc. and if you tell you are done. Period. </p>
<p>The term wilding (properly pronounced &#8220;whylin&#8221;) is an early hiphop term that was in use way before the police used it, for just someone acting out of control. Similiar to the term &#8220;buggin&#8221; but with a different connotation. </p>
<p>I remember the Central park jogger case, and i don&#8217;t know if anyone else has brought this up - lot of comments here - but many years later the accused boys were found innocent - <a href="http://www.nodeathpenalty.org/newab027/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nodeathpenalty.org/newab027/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kaethe</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102559</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaethe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102559</guid>
		<description>I had also flashed back to the "wilding" idea.  You made much more cogent points on the topic that I could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had also flashed back to the &#8220;wilding&#8221; idea.  You made much more cogent points on the topic that I could.</p>
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		<title>By: Mendy</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102547</link>
		<dc:creator>Mendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Apr 2006 11:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102547</guid>
		<description>I agree with the original take, but I have to say something in regards to the "Code of Silence" thing.

It is quite often the fact that some members of the "group" would come forward willingly if not under the unspoken threat of physical retalliation.  This is what makes silence the norm in abusive families, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the original take, but I have to say something in regards to the &#8220;Code of Silence&#8221; thing.</p>
<p>It is quite often the fact that some members of the &#8220;group&#8221; would come forward willingly if not under the unspoken threat of physical retalliation.  This is what makes silence the norm in abusive families, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Eloriel</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102500</link>
		<dc:creator>Eloriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 23:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102500</guid>
		<description>Two comments (excellent comments, btw):

First a quote from Carl Rowan:  "A minority group has 'arrived' only when it has the right to produce some fools and scoundrels without the entire group paying for it."

Second, I want to comment on the whole Code of Silence thing you address. It's sick and dysfunctional, and doesn't belong anywhere in a healthy society. That seems to me self-evident, but I guess in THIS sick and dysfunctional society, it's something that needs to be pointed out and explained.

The most important thing about it is that it (obviously) protects the guilty. It protects the guilty wherever it's in place. That plus keeping "the family" intact are its primary reasons for existing inthe first place.

"Keeping Family Secrets," which is the form in which it makes its original appearance in our society, keeps sick and dysfunctional families from being exposed and getting help for the incest and/or regular child abuse and/or alcoholism and/or substance abuse going on within.  

It keeps bad and absuive and corrups cops safe within the boundaries of the Code of Silence.

It keeps bad and corrupt members of the military safe from exposure and prosecution or expulsion.

It keeps bad and corrupt members of the government, or the corporation, or the university, or anyplace bad people are found, safe from exposure and prosecution or expulsion. 

Nothing protects the guilty as well as the Code of Silence.  It is one of Patriarchy's most imporant tools for protecting its abusers and enforcers. 

All of which is why the Code of Silence itself must be exposed -- as a threat to law and order, a threat to society, a threat to decent human beings as individuals, a threat to democracy itself when found in government and business -- and eradicated. 

Quite simply: THERE IS NOTHING HONORABLE OR GOOD OR RIGHT ABOUT PROTECTING WRONGDOERS.  There are plenty of people the world over who understand and agree with this; all the others must be made to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two comments (excellent comments, btw):</p>
<p>First a quote from Carl Rowan:  &#8220;A minority group has &#8216;arrived&#8217; only when it has the right to produce some fools and scoundrels without the entire group paying for it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Second, I want to comment on the whole Code of Silence thing you address. It&#8217;s sick and dysfunctional, and doesn&#8217;t belong anywhere in a healthy society. That seems to me self-evident, but I guess in THIS sick and dysfunctional society, it&#8217;s something that needs to be pointed out and explained.</p>
<p>The most important thing about it is that it (obviously) protects the guilty. It protects the guilty wherever it&#8217;s in place. That plus keeping &#8220;the family&#8221; intact are its primary reasons for existing inthe first place.</p>
<p>&#8220;Keeping Family Secrets,&#8221; which is the form in which it makes its original appearance in our society, keeps sick and dysfunctional families from being exposed and getting help for the incest and/or regular child abuse and/or alcoholism and/or substance abuse going on within.  </p>
<p>It keeps bad and absuive and corrups cops safe within the boundaries of the Code of Silence.</p>
<p>It keeps bad and corrupt members of the military safe from exposure and prosecution or expulsion.</p>
<p>It keeps bad and corrupt members of the government, or the corporation, or the university, or anyplace bad people are found, safe from exposure and prosecution or expulsion. </p>
<p>Nothing protects the guilty as well as the Code of Silence.  It is one of Patriarchy&#8217;s most imporant tools for protecting its abusers and enforcers. </p>
<p>All of which is why the Code of Silence itself must be exposed &#8212; as a threat to law and order, a threat to society, a threat to decent human beings as individuals, a threat to democracy itself when found in government and business &#8212; and eradicated. </p>
<p>Quite simply: THERE IS NOTHING HONORABLE OR GOOD OR RIGHT ABOUT PROTECTING WRONGDOERS.  There are plenty of people the world over who understand and agree with this; all the others must be made to.</p>
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		<title>By: Bring it On! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Take Back The Night</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102450</link>
		<dc:creator>Bring it On! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Take Back The Night</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 05:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102450</guid>
		<description>[...] The outrage surrounding this case is proper and expected. There are dynamics of power, race, wealth, and privilege at play throughout the story. White athletes at an elite university hiring a black student for a sex show that devolves into assault and violence. Moreover, Duke lacrosse is one of the premier programs in the country and universities have a disgraceful record when it comes to discipline athletes, particularly when it comes to promoting a culture of athlete entitlement and superiority. Lacrosse may not be as prevalent as football or basketball nationally, but that doesn&#8217;t stop schools like Duke, Syracuse, Johns Hopkins or Navy from coddling their athletes in ways regular students never would be treated [Full disclosure: I went to The Johns Hopkins University as an undergraduate and was involved in Greek life. I wasn&#8217;t a competitive athlete, though I was a gym rat and had many friends who were athletes]. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The outrage surrounding this case is proper and expected. There are dynamics of power, race, wealth, and privilege at play throughout the story. White athletes at an elite university hiring a black student for a sex show that devolves into assault and violence. Moreover, Duke lacrosse is one of the premier programs in the country and universities have a disgraceful record when it comes to discipline athletes, particularly when it comes to promoting a culture of athlete entitlement and superiority. Lacrosse may not be as prevalent as football or basketball nationally, but that doesn&#8217;t stop schools like Duke, Syracuse, Johns Hopkins or Navy from coddling their athletes in ways regular students never would be treated [Full disclosure: I went to The Johns Hopkins University as an undergraduate and was involved in Greek life. I wasn&#8217;t a competitive athlete, though I was a gym rat and had many friends who were athletes]. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Berg</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102436</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 02:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102436</guid>
		<description>I think part of the problem is that the stories involving middle class white girls just make better stories for the news media's target demographic. If a stripper gets raped, it's a terrible thing, but your typical middle-class suburbanite doesn't see much relevance to his own life. But if a woman is just walking through the park minding her own business and gets beaten and raped, that's ratings gold. If it could happen to her, it could happen to anyone---even the aforementioned suburbanite's daughter.

There are arguably problems with the way news is reported---personally, I don't see why murders or rapes should ever be considered national news unless they involve public figures---but just to chalk it up to racism is, I think, to oversimplify the issue, if not to miss the point altogether.

And since when are &lt;i&gt;lacrosse&lt;/i&gt; players idolized by anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think part of the problem is that the stories involving middle class white girls just make better stories for the news media&#8217;s target demographic. If a stripper gets raped, it&#8217;s a terrible thing, but your typical middle-class suburbanite doesn&#8217;t see much relevance to his own life. But if a woman is just walking through the park minding her own business and gets beaten and raped, that&#8217;s ratings gold. If it could happen to her, it could happen to anyone&#8212;even the aforementioned suburbanite&#8217;s daughter.</p>
<p>There are arguably problems with the way news is reported&#8212;personally, I don&#8217;t see why murders or rapes should ever be considered national news unless they involve public figures&#8212;but just to chalk it up to racism is, I think, to oversimplify the issue, if not to miss the point altogether.</p>
<p>And since when are <i>lacrosse</i> players idolized by anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Imani</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102432</link>
		<dc:creator>Imani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102432</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; The reason the Duke case (and the other gang-rape cases that have been in the news lately) have been treated in a more nuanced way is that they were not stranger rapes. The media simply treat non-stranger rapes differently. It has nothing to do with race. Look at the scorn heaped on Kobe Bryant's accuser. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

While it is true that we do tend to treat acquaintance rape differently from stranger rape, I honestly don't see that dichotomy being all that operative in this case. The Duke case--as well as the Central Park case before it--has been conceptualized as a GANG RAPE, and I think that this largely trumps the acquaintance/stranger issue (and not to bog us down in semantics, but two women hired to strip for a group of guys are only "acquaintances" according to the loosest possible definition, in my lexicon anyway). 

So I still believe that the most relevant comparison is between the media's treatment of black men accused of GANG RAPE versus its treatment of white men accused of GANG RAPE. And no, I don't believe that the hysterical response to the Central Park rape was motivated by mere "concern about rape." Again, you're assigning a fairly passive role to the principals involved. Feminists have been laboring for decades to make "concern about rape" a normative social value that doesn't depend on sensationalistic cases, and they can tell you how hard it's been.

And there are all kinds of things wrong with using the Kobe Bryant case as a model. To my own admittedly jaundiced eye, that case said to me that ONLY by being a famous athlete will a black man accused of rape be given the benefit of the doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> The reason the Duke case (and the other gang-rape cases that have been in the news lately) have been treated in a more nuanced way is that they were not stranger rapes. The media simply treat non-stranger rapes differently. It has nothing to do with race. Look at the scorn heaped on Kobe Bryant&#8217;s accuser. </p></blockquote>
<p>While it is true that we do tend to treat acquaintance rape differently from stranger rape, I honestly don&#8217;t see that dichotomy being all that operative in this case. The Duke case&#8211;as well as the Central Park case before it&#8211;has been conceptualized as a GANG RAPE, and I think that this largely trumps the acquaintance/stranger issue (and not to bog us down in semantics, but two women hired to strip for a group of guys are only &#8220;acquaintances&#8221; according to the loosest possible definition, in my lexicon anyway). </p>
<p>So I still believe that the most relevant comparison is between the media&#8217;s treatment of black men accused of GANG RAPE versus its treatment of white men accused of GANG RAPE. And no, I don&#8217;t believe that the hysterical response to the Central Park rape was motivated by mere &#8220;concern about rape.&#8221; Again, you&#8217;re assigning a fairly passive role to the principals involved. Feminists have been laboring for decades to make &#8220;concern about rape&#8221; a normative social value that doesn&#8217;t depend on sensationalistic cases, and they can tell you how hard it&#8217;s been.</p>
<p>And there are all kinds of things wrong with using the Kobe Bryant case as a model. To my own admittedly jaundiced eye, that case said to me that ONLY by being a famous athlete will a black man accused of rape be given the benefit of the doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: the15th</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102428</link>
		<dc:creator>the15th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102428</guid>
		<description>The original post didn't address the issue of the suspects' treatment by the police.  It implied that the outcry over what was done to that woman was somehow tied to the race of her supposed attackers, that concern about rape was simply a smokescreen for racism.

The reason the Duke case (and the other gang-rape cases that have been in the news lately) have been treated in a more nuanced way is that they were not stranger rapes.  The media simply treat non-stranger rapes differently.  It has nothing to do with race.  Look at the scorn heaped on Kobe Bryant's accuser.

&lt;i&gt;And if you are disappointed you're disappointed to be disabused of your prejudiced notions.&lt;/i&gt;

I haven't attacked you personally in any way.  This is really foul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original post didn&#8217;t address the issue of the suspects&#8217; treatment by the police.  It implied that the outcry over what was done to that woman was somehow tied to the race of her supposed attackers, that concern about rape was simply a smokescreen for racism.</p>
<p>The reason the Duke case (and the other gang-rape cases that have been in the news lately) have been treated in a more nuanced way is that they were not stranger rapes.  The media simply treat non-stranger rapes differently.  It has nothing to do with race.  Look at the scorn heaped on Kobe Bryant&#8217;s accuser.</p>
<p><i>And if you are disappointed you&#8217;re disappointed to be disabused of your prejudiced notions.</i></p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t attacked you personally in any way.  This is really foul.</p>
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		<title>By: SBW</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102427</link>
		<dc:creator>SBW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102427</guid>
		<description>I was just watching Fox News and they had a&lt;i&gt;woman&lt;/i&gt; caller who said that the rape victim had it coming.  And I paraphrase, "When this women showed up at a house dancing provocatively in front of these men whose hormones were all in a rage, stirring them up.....she got exactly what she deserved". 

This just ruined my entire day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just watching Fox News and they had a<i>woman</i> caller who said that the rape victim had it coming.  And I paraphrase, &#8220;When this women showed up at a house dancing provocatively in front of these men whose hormones were all in a rage, stirring them up&#8230;..she got exactly what she deserved&#8221;. </p>
<p>This just ruined my entire day.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel S.</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102425</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They had to have at least one Black lawyer (it probably would have been better for the person to be a Black woman); it would look even worse if they didn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They had to have at least one Black lawyer (it probably would have been better for the person to be a Black woman); it would look even worse if they didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102424</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102424</guid>
		<description>Well, it's a common enough tactic- use the Judas goat to confuse the unwary. I wonder if only whites are fooled?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s a common enough tactic- use the Judas goat to confuse the unwary. I wonder if only whites are fooled?</p>
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		<title>By: SBW</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102423</link>
		<dc:creator>SBW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102423</guid>
		<description>How did I just know that one of the attorneys for the Lacrosse players would be a black man or woman whose job it would be to portray the alleged rape victim as a slut? I see they were smart enough to get another black person to do the dirty work. 

I was watching The Abrams Report on MSNBC and saw the two lawyers ( the black man and the white female) who represented two of the Lacrosse players. The white woman acted professional, just like you would expect her to. The black guy just couldn't get enough of making grandious predictions. 

Does anyone else get the impression that the black lawyer is just a front?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did I just know that one of the attorneys for the Lacrosse players would be a black man or woman whose job it would be to portray the alleged rape victim as a slut? I see they were smart enough to get another black person to do the dirty work. </p>
<p>I was watching The Abrams Report on MSNBC and saw the two lawyers ( the black man and the white female) who represented two of the Lacrosse players. The white woman acted professional, just like you would expect her to. The black guy just couldn&#8217;t get enough of making grandious predictions. </p>
<p>Does anyone else get the impression that the black lawyer is just a front?</p>
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		<title>By: davis</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102416</link>
		<dc:creator>davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102416</guid>
		<description>Regarding the Duke case. Why not wait for the DNA evidence? You've cited  the Central Park jogger case,  do you remember the 
&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley" rel="nofollow"&gt;Tawana Brawley&lt;/a&gt; case? Two rape cases that were not exactly what they seemed at first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the Duke case. Why not wait for the DNA evidence? You&#8217;ve cited  the Central Park jogger case,  do you remember the<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley" rel="nofollow">Tawana Brawley</a> case? Two rape cases that were not exactly what they seemed at first.</p>
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		<title>By: tata</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102407</link>
		<dc:creator>tata</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102407</guid>
		<description>Thank you, Tom Maguire and Imani, for documenting what I remember seeing unfold day after day. There's more to the story, of course. When the actual rapist was discovered through a DNA match - there was no "coming forward" - the two detectives were up to their necks in it. One of them worked as a reporter for Fox5 in NYC. I distinctly remember one day seeing him &lt;i&gt;report&lt;/i&gt; the news and the next day, he &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; the news and off the air. Everyone knew the game was over. 

There was nothing innocent or "it just happened" about any of it. It was like a mob moving in slow motion on national television and nothing could stop it until science intervened &lt;i&gt;a dozen years later.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Tom Maguire and Imani, for documenting what I remember seeing unfold day after day. There&#8217;s more to the story, of course. When the actual rapist was discovered through a DNA match - there was no &#8220;coming forward&#8221; - the two detectives were up to their necks in it. One of them worked as a reporter for Fox5 in NYC. I distinctly remember one day seeing him <i>report</i> the news and the next day, he <i>was</i> the news and off the air. Everyone knew the game was over. </p>
<p>There was nothing innocent or &#8220;it just happened&#8221; about any of it. It was like a mob moving in slow motion on national television and nothing could stop it until science intervened <i>a dozen years later.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Imani</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102402</link>
		<dc:creator>Imani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I still don't see just cause to conclude that there was actually manufactured hysteria in the service of demonizing black men. Here's what seems more likely to me:

The police found the jogger, picked up some thugs who had been harassing and mugging other park visitors (correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone contests that), and, honestly believing that they were responsible for the rape, pushed too hard for a confession. Then the media took the police report at face value and ran with it.

Of course, it was wrong for the police to pursue a confession as aggressively as they did, but that doesn't mean that there was any deliberate conspiracy to foment hysteria against black men.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The problem with such an account is that it seems to rely too much on a "things just happened and nobody's to blame" framework. I would like to humbly suggest another reading--the Central Park Jogger case is in large part the story of how various institutional actors (i.e. the police, the national media, grandstanding politicians, etc.) each contributed their share to a manifestly racist outcome: five innocent young men locked up for years until the actual rapist finally came forward. 

I was only 12 or 13 years when it went down originally, and have had to piece together what I know from retrospectives and after-the-fact apologias. My biases being what they are, you'll have to try mightily to sell me any interpretation of this travesty that portrays the principal actors as mere victims of the situation, rather than active shapers of it.

The police, for example, did not merely "push too hard" for a confession; they coerced the ones they got. The media did not merely "run with" the story; through deliberate choices of metaphor and imagery, they made the story what it was. 

Take a look at this excerpt from a 1989 New York Post column, which I found in this online edition of &lt;a href="http://www.cjr.org/issues/2003/1/rapist-hancock.asp" rel="nofollow"&gt;Columbia Journalism Review:&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;In his April 23, 1989, piece in the Post, a savage disease, Pete Hamill, the celebrated city columnist, painted a menacing backdrop that would color the coverage to come:

They were coming downtown from a world of crack, welfare, guns, knives, indifference and ignorance. They were coming from a land with no fathers . . . . They were coming from the anarchic province of the poor.
And driven by a collective fury, brimming with the rippling energies of youth, their minds teeming with the violent images of the streets and the movies, they had only one goal: to smash, hurt, rob, stomp, rape. The enemies were rich. The enemies were white. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The above is a fairly breathtaking example of fabulous discourse, not "running with the story." While the alleged Duke rapists have been strongly condemned by many, I have yet to see ANYTHING like the phantasmagoric language used by the NYP columnist quoted above. Similarly, the lacrosse players can expect to benefit from the (no doubt well-meaning) infusions of skepticism from our libertarians and 5th Amendment fundamentalists, while many a black person has learned the folly of expecting some abstract thing called "the Constitution" to protect him from the policeman's billy club. Hell, the fact that these white boys have found anti-lynching rhetoric to be more serviceable to their cause than most actual, historic victims of lynching speaks volumes.

And we shouldn't forget what could end up being the biggest difference of all: the Central Park case resulted in five speedy convictions (the wrong ones, but one can't be picky). Someone connected with the incident at Duke may yet wind up behind bars, but it will be in spite of the advantages of money, white skin, and what has thus far been a fairly nuanced response from the commentariat. Or they could walk. The difference is the same in either case.

Oh and btw, I'm a long-time lurker, first-time poster. Kudos to Amp for creating this fine blog, and to Rachel for initiating this discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I still don&#8217;t see just cause to conclude that there was actually manufactured hysteria in the service of demonizing black men. Here&#8217;s what seems more likely to me:</p>
<p>The police found the jogger, picked up some thugs who had been harassing and mugging other park visitors (correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but I don&#8217;t think anyone contests that), and, honestly believing that they were responsible for the rape, pushed too hard for a confession. Then the media took the police report at face value and ran with it.</p>
<p>Of course, it was wrong for the police to pursue a confession as aggressively as they did, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that there was any deliberate conspiracy to foment hysteria against black men.</p></blockquote>
<p>The problem with such an account is that it seems to rely too much on a &#8220;things just happened and nobody&#8217;s to blame&#8221; framework. I would like to humbly suggest another reading&#8211;the Central Park Jogger case is in large part the story of how various institutional actors (i.e. the police, the national media, grandstanding politicians, etc.) each contributed their share to a manifestly racist outcome: five innocent young men locked up for years until the actual rapist finally came forward. </p>
<p>I was only 12 or 13 years when it went down originally, and have had to piece together what I know from retrospectives and after-the-fact apologias. My biases being what they are, you&#8217;ll have to try mightily to sell me any interpretation of this travesty that portrays the principal actors as mere victims of the situation, rather than active shapers of it.</p>
<p>The police, for example, did not merely &#8220;push too hard&#8221; for a confession; they coerced the ones they got. The media did not merely &#8220;run with&#8221; the story; through deliberate choices of metaphor and imagery, they made the story what it was. </p>
<p>Take a look at this excerpt from a 1989 New York Post column, which I found in this online edition of <a href="http://www.cjr.org/issues/2003/1/rapist-hancock.asp" rel="nofollow">Columbia Journalism Review:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>In his April 23, 1989, piece in the Post, a savage disease, Pete Hamill, the celebrated city columnist, painted a menacing backdrop that would color the coverage to come:</p>
<p>They were coming downtown from a world of crack, welfare, guns, knives, indifference and ignorance. They were coming from a land with no fathers . . . . They were coming from the anarchic province of the poor.<br />
And driven by a collective fury, brimming with the rippling energies of youth, their minds teeming with the violent images of the streets and the movies, they had only one goal: to smash, hurt, rob, stomp, rape. The enemies were rich. The enemies were white. </p></blockquote>
<p>The above is a fairly breathtaking example of fabulous discourse, not &#8220;running with the story.&#8221; While the alleged Duke rapists have been strongly condemned by many, I have yet to see ANYTHING like the phantasmagoric language used by the NYP columnist quoted above. Similarly, the lacrosse players can expect to benefit from the (no doubt well-meaning) infusions of skepticism from our libertarians and 5th Amendment fundamentalists, while many a black person has learned the folly of expecting some abstract thing called &#8220;the Constitution&#8221; to protect him from the policeman&#8217;s billy club. Hell, the fact that these white boys have found anti-lynching rhetoric to be more serviceable to their cause than most actual, historic victims of lynching speaks volumes.</p>
<p>And we shouldn&#8217;t forget what could end up being the biggest difference of all: the Central Park case resulted in five speedy convictions (the wrong ones, but one can&#8217;t be picky). Someone connected with the incident at Duke may yet wind up behind bars, but it will be in spite of the advantages of money, white skin, and what has thus far been a fairly nuanced response from the commentariat. Or they could walk. The difference is the same in either case.</p>
<p>Oh and btw, I&#8217;m a long-time lurker, first-time poster. Kudos to Amp for creating this fine blog, and to Rachel for initiating this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Maguire</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102396</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Maguire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 08:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102396</guid>
		<description>FWIW - the word "wilding" gets 17 hits in the NY Times search from &lt;a href="http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?frow=0&#38;n=10&#38;srcht=a&#38;query=wilding&#38;srchst=nyt&#38;submit.x=26&#38;submit.y=8&#38;submit=sub&#38;hdlquery=&#38;bylquery=&#38;daterange=period&#38;mon1=04&#38;day1=01&#38;year1=1989&#38;mon2=06&#38;day2=01&#38;year2=1989" rel="nofollow"&gt;April 1 to June 1, 1989&lt;/a&gt;.

In the two *years* from &lt;a href="http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?frow=0&#38;n=10&#38;srcht=a&#38;query=wilding&#38;srchst=nyt&#38;submit.x=18&#38;submit.y=2&#38;submit=sub&#38;hdlquery=&#38;bylquery=&#38;daterange=period&#38;mon1=04&#38;day1=01&#38;year1=2004&#38;mon2=06&#38;day2=01&#38;year2=2006" rel="nofollow"&gt;April 1 2004 to the present&lt;/a&gt;, it gets 8 hits.

It is not a phrase that is going to die of over-work, but this cite from New Orleans was interesting:

&lt;i&gt;A lot more music went on in the city at night after the fairgrounds closed at 7; New Orleanians construct their own festival during vampire hours. The Soul Rebels, one of the better new brass bands, rolled into Le Bon Temps Roule, in the Uptown district, Saturday night after playing at a sorority party. They were missing two members who had early-morning jobs, and it was a casual gig. ''We just wilding out,'' said the bass drummer Derrick Moss, killing time outside on the street at 3 a.m.&lt;/i&gt;

As to the reporting in April 1989, here is a Times excerpt:

&lt;i&gt;The youths who raped and savagely beat a young investment banker as she jogged in Central Park Wednesday night were part of a loosely organized gang of 32 schoolboys whose random, motiveless assaults terrorized at least eight other people over nearly two hours, senior police investigators said yesterday.

Chief of Detectives Robert Colangelo, who said the attacks appeared unrelated to money, race, drugs or alcohol, said that some of the 20 youths brought in for questioning had told investigators that the crime spree was the product of a pastime called ''wilding.''

''It's not a term that we in the police had heard before,'' the chief said, noting that the police were unaware of any similar incidents in the park recently. ''They just said, 'We were going wilding.' In my mind at this point, it implies that they were going to go raise hell.''

From shortly after 8:30 P.M. until sometime after 10, the youths, mostly 14- and 15-year-olds, who broke up into smaller bands, also harassed one man; attacked another, knocking him to the ground; set upon a 52-year-old jogger, punching him; tried to assault another male jogger, in his 30's, who outran them; threw rocks at a couple riding a tandem bicycle, who fled, and attacked two other joggers, one a man in his 40's who was struck with a metal pipe and seriously injured. Police said they believed the same metal pipe, wrapped with tape, was later used in the assault on the investment banker.

Seven youths were charged as adults yesterday with rape, assault and attempted murder in the attack on the 28-year-old Salomon Brothers banker, who detectives said had been beaten with fists, a rock and the pipe. Chief Colangelo said that the police had obtained statements indicating that the woman had been set upon by 12 youths. He said the police hoped other arrests would follow. &lt;/i&gt;

Again FWIW - a number of the youths involved cooperated with the police and walked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW - the word &#8220;wilding&#8221; gets 17 hits in the NY Times search from <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?frow=0&amp;n=10&amp;srcht=a&amp;query=wilding&amp;srchst=nyt&amp;submit.x=26&amp;submit.y=8&amp;submit=sub&amp;hdlquery=&amp;bylquery=&amp;daterange=period&amp;mon1=04&amp;day1=01&amp;year1=1989&amp;mon2=06&amp;day2=01&amp;year2=1989" rel="nofollow">April 1 to June 1, 1989</a>.</p>
<p>In the two *years* from <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?frow=0&amp;n=10&amp;srcht=a&amp;query=wilding&amp;srchst=nyt&amp;submit.x=18&amp;submit.y=2&amp;submit=sub&amp;hdlquery=&amp;bylquery=&amp;daterange=period&amp;mon1=04&amp;day1=01&amp;year1=2004&amp;mon2=06&amp;day2=01&amp;year2=2006" rel="nofollow">April 1 2004 to the present</a>, it gets 8 hits.</p>
<p>It is not a phrase that is going to die of over-work, but this cite from New Orleans was interesting:</p>
<p><i>A lot more music went on in the city at night after the fairgrounds closed at 7; New Orleanians construct their own festival during vampire hours. The Soul Rebels, one of the better new brass bands, rolled into Le Bon Temps Roule, in the Uptown district, Saturday night after playing at a sorority party. They were missing two members who had early-morning jobs, and it was a casual gig. &#8221;We just wilding out,&#8221; said the bass drummer Derrick Moss, killing time outside on the street at 3 a.m.</i></p>
<p>As to the reporting in April 1989, here is a Times excerpt:</p>
<p><i>The youths who raped and savagely beat a young investment banker as she jogged in Central Park Wednesday night were part of a loosely organized gang of 32 schoolboys whose random, motiveless assaults terrorized at least eight other people over nearly two hours, senior police investigators said yesterday.</p>
<p>Chief of Detectives Robert Colangelo, who said the attacks appeared unrelated to money, race, drugs or alcohol, said that some of the 20 youths brought in for questioning had told investigators that the crime spree was the product of a pastime called &#8221;wilding.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8221;It&#8217;s not a term that we in the police had heard before,&#8221; the chief said, noting that the police were unaware of any similar incidents in the park recently. &#8221;They just said, &#8216;We were going wilding.&#8217; In my mind at this point, it implies that they were going to go raise hell.&#8221;</p>
<p>From shortly after 8:30 P.M. until sometime after 10, the youths, mostly 14- and 15-year-olds, who broke up into smaller bands, also harassed one man; attacked another, knocking him to the ground; set upon a 52-year-old jogger, punching him; tried to assault another male jogger, in his 30&#8217;s, who outran them; threw rocks at a couple riding a tandem bicycle, who fled, and attacked two other joggers, one a man in his 40&#8217;s who was struck with a metal pipe and seriously injured. Police said they believed the same metal pipe, wrapped with tape, was later used in the assault on the investment banker.</p>
<p>Seven youths were charged as adults yesterday with rape, assault and attempted murder in the attack on the 28-year-old Salomon Brothers banker, who detectives said had been beaten with fists, a rock and the pipe. Chief Colangelo said that the police had obtained statements indicating that the woman had been set upon by 12 youths. He said the police hoped other arrests would follow. </i></p>
<p>Again FWIW - a number of the youths involved cooperated with the police and walked.</p>
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		<title>By: Polymath</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102391</link>
		<dc:creator>Polymath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 05:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO the way to break a code of silence like that is to be sincere and extremely generous in praise of whistle-blowers.  like the guy who leaked the abu ghraib photos, or the guy (portrayed in "the insider") who gave authorities information that tobacco companies were trying to hide, or the women who reported sexual harassment in military academies.  those people are true hero/ines, and only when they are treated as such will more insiders 'start snitchin'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO the way to break a code of silence like that is to be sincere and extremely generous in praise of whistle-blowers.  like the guy who leaked the abu ghraib photos, or the guy (portrayed in &#8220;the insider&#8221;) who gave authorities information that tobacco companies were trying to hide, or the women who reported sexual harassment in military academies.  those people are true hero/ines, and only when they are treated as such will more insiders &#8217;start snitchin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Berg</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102389</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 04:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102389</guid>
		<description>Tata:
I still don't see just cause to conclude that there was actually manufactured hysteria in the service of demonizing black men. Here's what seems more likely to me:

The police found the jogger, picked up some thugs who had been harassing and mugging other park visitors (correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone contests that), and, honestly believing that they were responsible for the rape, pushed too hard for a confession. Then the media took the police report at face value and ran with it.

Of course, it was wrong for the police to pursue a confession as aggressively as they did, but that doesn't mean that there was any deliberate conspiracy to foment hysteria against black men.

The15th:
Why does this, specifically, disappoint you? I think Alas is a great blog, but looking for some sort of "ism" under every stone and behind every tree is a regular feature here, and I don't see that this is a particularly egregious example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tata:<br />
I still don&#8217;t see just cause to conclude that there was actually manufactured hysteria in the service of demonizing black men. Here&#8217;s what seems more likely to me:</p>
<p>The police found the jogger, picked up some thugs who had been harassing and mugging other park visitors (correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but I don&#8217;t think anyone contests that), and, honestly believing that they were responsible for the rape, pushed too hard for a confession. Then the media took the police report at face value and ran with it.</p>
<p>Of course, it was wrong for the police to pursue a confession as aggressively as they did, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that there was any deliberate conspiracy to foment hysteria against black men.</p>
<p>The15th:<br />
Why does this, specifically, disappoint you? I think Alas is a great blog, but looking for some sort of &#8220;ism&#8221; under every stone and behind every tree is a regular feature here, and I don&#8217;t see that this is a particularly egregious example.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/03/31/2216/#comment-102358</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Apr 2006 02:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feminism is not only a white movement, we need to pay attention to how race and class and many other isms intersect with gender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feminism is not only a white movement, we need to pay attention to how race and class and many other isms intersect with gender.</p>
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