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	<title>Comments on: Duke Rape: Second Search Warrant Reveals Sick Thoughts of at Least One Lacrosse Player</title>
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		<title>By: blair</title>
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		<dc:creator>blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Duke student who authored the offensive email was simply parodying "American Pyscho," a novel taught in Duke literature courses. It should not be taken as an indication that he's the type of person who would enjoy committing such crimes.  That the school should punish him for it is absurd. It had nothing to do with the alleged rapes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Duke student who authored the offensive email was simply parodying &#8220;American Pyscho,&#8221; a novel taught in Duke literature courses. It should not be taken as an indication that he&#8217;s the type of person who would enjoy committing such crimes.  That the school should punish him for it is absurd. It had nothing to do with the alleged rapes.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo Schwyzer: Some thoughts on unearned respect</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugo Schwyzer: Some thoughts on unearned respect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] When stories like the Duke rape case arouse our passions and our sense of justice, it's easy to lose sight of the notion that respect is not earned.&#160; When I read the emails of one member of the Duke lacrosse team, Ryan, who wrote: i plan on killing the bitches as soon as the walk and proceding to cut their skin off while cumming in my Duke issue spandex, I find it momentarily difficult to see this young man as my brother!&#160; It disgusts me, it enrages me, it saddens me.&#160; &#160;He has done much to suggest he is not &#34;worthy&#34; of respect.&#160; &#160;He doesn't respect women (to put it mildly), so why should he and those like him be deserving of it, particularly from feminists?&#160; But Ryan is as much my brother as the victim in this case is my sister.&#160; &#160;That doesn't mean that I see stripping and rape as morally equivalent, mind you!&#160; But it does mean that I don't see respect and compassion as in any way contingent upon other's personal conduct. [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] When stories like the Duke rape case arouse our passions and our sense of justice, it&#8217;s easy to lose sight of the notion that respect is not earned.&nbsp; When I read the emails of one member of the Duke lacrosse team, Ryan, who wrote: i plan on killing the bitches as soon as the walk and proceding to cut their skin off while cumming in my Duke issue spandex, I find it momentarily difficult to see this young man as my brother!&nbsp; It disgusts me, it enrages me, it saddens me.&nbsp; &nbsp;He has done much to suggest he is not &quot;worthy&quot; of respect.&nbsp; &nbsp;He doesn&#8217;t respect women (to put it mildly), so why should he and those like him be deserving of it, particularly from feminists?&nbsp; But Ryan is as much my brother as the victim in this case is my sister.&nbsp; &nbsp;That doesn&#8217;t mean that I see stripping and rape as morally equivalent, mind you!&nbsp; But it does mean that I don&#8217;t see respect and compassion as in any way contingent upon other&#8217;s personal conduct. [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 21:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>College students often get pulled into crimes because of desire for peer approval.  Your good buddy who wants to rob soda machones for tuition can talk you into a lot of things.  Or perhapse one of these guys needed to prove himself sexually, so he would be part of the group &#38; n0t the butt of jokes.  The evedince in this case will probably lie in the relationships of the accused with their friends &#38; psycological make up.  If a rape did occure, there will be evidence in the friendships, or background of the students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>College students often get pulled into crimes because of desire for peer approval.  Your good buddy who wants to rob soda machones for tuition can talk you into a lot of things.  Or perhapse one of these guys needed to prove himself sexually, so he would be part of the group &amp; n0t the butt of jokes.  The evedince in this case will probably lie in the relationships of the accused with their friends &amp; psycological make up.  If a rape did occure, there will be evidence in the friendships, or background of the students.</p>
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		<title>By: KarenJones</title>
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		<dc:creator>KarenJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polymath wrote concerning the report of the email sent from McFadyen's personal email address:
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 it smells to me of a guy who thinks he's being unfairly persecuted, and who is up late drunk and worried, and who wants to point out in his pathetic way how he thinks the charges are so ridiculous that they might as well be accusing him of trying to murder and torture for sexual pleasure.
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Why would he be feeling persecuted?  There had been no charges made at the time the email was sent which was just a couple of hours after the event allegedly occurred.  However if he was "worried" as you say, that does point to the assault actually occurring, because otherwise why would he need to be worried?

Fantasizing about killing and skinning a woman for sexual pleasure is common among the more deranged serial killers, although I imagine this thug is too stupid to be a serial killer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polymath wrote concerning the report of the email sent from McFadyen&#8217;s personal email address:</p>
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 it smells to me of a guy who thinks he&#8217;s being unfairly persecuted, and who is up late drunk and worried, and who wants to point out in his pathetic way how he thinks the charges are so ridiculous that they might as well be accusing him of trying to murder and torture for sexual pleasure.
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<p>Why would he be feeling persecuted?  There had been no charges made at the time the email was sent which was just a couple of hours after the event allegedly occurred.  However if he was &#8220;worried&#8221; as you say, that does point to the assault actually occurring, because otherwise why would he need to be worried?</p>
<p>Fantasizing about killing and skinning a woman for sexual pleasure is common among the more deranged serial killers, although I imagine this thug is too stupid to be a serial killer.</p>
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		<title>By: IndyLib</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndyLib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The answer to your last question, I believe, Indy, would be a sense of entitlement in this country based on wealth, gender, and athletic ability, and sometimes amplified by youth and (dominant) race.

Please insert that hypothesis somewhere in your indentity theory study if it hasn't already raised its head. And if it hasn't raised its head, please ask yourself why.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course it has.  You couldn't know this, of course, but I've been a feminist since I was a kid in the 70s, I've been studying feminist theories in depth for well over a decade now, and I was a double minor in women's studies and philosophy in college.

I was also raped of my virginity by my jock boyfriend when I was 15, and I've always sought to understand the precise mechanism by which this otherwise seemingly "nice" boy nonetheless managed to rape me and then rationalize having done so.  And part of it was about jock culture, constructions of masculinity, youth, and entitlement, but part of it was about his individual psychology -- not all the boys on his team were rapists, and the young man who helped to cover up that rape for him was not a part of the jock culture at my school.

So, part of the identity study is very personal to me, as it is to many women who've been victimized by rape.  My particular defense mechanism against lots of things that terrify me is learning how to understand the nuances of how they function, and when you combine that with my interest in theory, I tend to pick things apart down past the level where most other people do.

I think most well-read feminists, such as myself, are all overly familiar with the general themes in jock culture, and the intersecting identity issues in both jock culture and society at large such as race, class, age, gender, and entitlement that you mention.  But I think there are still lingering unresolved questions about identities that are worth further study.  I think we understand rape generally very well, but I don't think we yet understand very well the dynamics on a more individual, each-to-each level.  In other words, I think we understand fairly well why men as a class rape; but I don't think we frequently understand very well why a &lt;i&gt;particular&lt;/i&gt; man rapes.  And I think further explication on that level will help us better understand how to effect the kind of structural social changes that will, at least, lower the frequency of rape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The answer to your last question, I believe, Indy, would be a sense of entitlement in this country based on wealth, gender, and athletic ability, and sometimes amplified by youth and (dominant) race.</p>
<p>Please insert that hypothesis somewhere in your indentity theory study if it hasn&#8217;t already raised its head. And if it hasn&#8217;t raised its head, please ask yourself why.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course it has.  You couldn&#8217;t know this, of course, but I&#8217;ve been a feminist since I was a kid in the 70s, I&#8217;ve been studying feminist theories in depth for well over a decade now, and I was a double minor in women&#8217;s studies and philosophy in college.</p>
<p>I was also raped of my virginity by my jock boyfriend when I was 15, and I&#8217;ve always sought to understand the precise mechanism by which this otherwise seemingly &#8220;nice&#8221; boy nonetheless managed to rape me and then rationalize having done so.  And part of it was about jock culture, constructions of masculinity, youth, and entitlement, but part of it was about his individual psychology &#8212; not all the boys on his team were rapists, and the young man who helped to cover up that rape for him was not a part of the jock culture at my school.</p>
<p>So, part of the identity study is very personal to me, as it is to many women who&#8217;ve been victimized by rape.  My particular defense mechanism against lots of things that terrify me is learning how to understand the nuances of how they function, and when you combine that with my interest in theory, I tend to pick things apart down past the level where most other people do.</p>
<p>I think most well-read feminists, such as myself, are all overly familiar with the general themes in jock culture, and the intersecting identity issues in both jock culture and society at large such as race, class, age, gender, and entitlement that you mention.  But I think there are still lingering unresolved questions about identities that are worth further study.  I think we understand rape generally very well, but I don&#8217;t think we yet understand very well the dynamics on a more individual, each-to-each level.  In other words, I think we understand fairly well why men as a class rape; but I don&#8217;t think we frequently understand very well why a <i>particular</i> man rapes.  And I think further explication on that level will help us better understand how to effect the kind of structural social changes that will, at least, lower the frequency of rape.</p>
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		<title>By: Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Student Who Wrote Woman-Hating Email Attended &#8220;Take Back The Night&#8221; Rally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Student Who Wrote Woman-Hating Email Attended &#8220;Take Back The Night&#8221; Rally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ryan McFayden, the Duke Lacrosse player who wrote a vile email fantasizing about what a turn-on it would be to murder and skin a stripper, apparently attended "Take Back The Night," an annual feminist rally against rape, just a few days after writing the email. &#8230;McFadyen reportedly was one of about 500 people who attended a Take Back the Night march during Sexual Assault Awareness Week at Duke. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ryan McFayden, the Duke Lacrosse player who wrote a vile email fantasizing about what a turn-on it would be to murder and skin a stripper, apparently attended &#8220;Take Back The Night,&#8221; an annual feminist rally against rape, just a few days after writing the email. &#8230;McFadyen reportedly was one of about 500 people who attended a Take Back the Night march during Sexual Assault Awareness Week at Duke. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: belledame222</title>
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		<dc:creator>belledame222</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to concur w/Barbara and others here: it'd be nice to think so, Ginger, but I'm just not seeing any evidence for that spin.  

And, it goes with the territory, the jokiness and "team" rush.

I keep coming back to this as a parallel, but: "Our Guys," the excellent if grim chronicle of the case in New Jersey where another group of disgusting little overprivileged asshole jocks, high school this time, gang raped a mildly retarded girl, using a baseball bat and a dirty stick in the process.  You have to read the whole thing to really get a full sense of just how fucked up not just "our guys" but the whole damn town and zeitgeist is.  Which, it'd pretty much have to be.

anyway, Lefkowitz (the author) spends some time talking about the other jaunts and exploits of these high-spirited lads.  One of the favorite group activities was really destructive partying.  There's one anecdote of a girl, Mary Ryan, who wanted to be popular, so she invited "everybody" to come to her house for a party when her parents were out of town for the weekend.  Big mistake.  It turns into an orgy of hate and destruction: they chop up furniture, kill the goldfish (and try to kill the cat at one point), deliberately break everything that could possibly be breakable...it goes on and on.  Ryan at one point got so overwhelmed that she stood on a balcony and threatened to jump if they didn't stop it; apparently a bunch of the kids started chanting "Jump, Jump, Jump."  (she didn't).  Finally *someone* called the cops, which, according to Lefkowitz, broke the code (as always) of silence.  No one likes a narc, you see.  

so, to tie this back to the email business: no one was sorry for this, and no one was punished, except Ryan, who got sent to boarding school or suchlike.  The genearl sense was that she somehow "deserved it," because she wasn't popular.  But in the yearbook that year, there were a lot of fond tributes to "Ryan's Wreck" among "best memories."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to concur w/Barbara and others here: it&#8217;d be nice to think so, Ginger, but I&#8217;m just not seeing any evidence for that spin.  </p>
<p>And, it goes with the territory, the jokiness and &#8220;team&#8221; rush.</p>
<p>I keep coming back to this as a parallel, but: &#8220;Our Guys,&#8221; the excellent if grim chronicle of the case in New Jersey where another group of disgusting little overprivileged asshole jocks, high school this time, gang raped a mildly retarded girl, using a baseball bat and a dirty stick in the process.  You have to read the whole thing to really get a full sense of just how fucked up not just &#8220;our guys&#8221; but the whole damn town and zeitgeist is.  Which, it&#8217;d pretty much have to be.</p>
<p>anyway, Lefkowitz (the author) spends some time talking about the other jaunts and exploits of these high-spirited lads.  One of the favorite group activities was really destructive partying.  There&#8217;s one anecdote of a girl, Mary Ryan, who wanted to be popular, so she invited &#8220;everybody&#8221; to come to her house for a party when her parents were out of town for the weekend.  Big mistake.  It turns into an orgy of hate and destruction: they chop up furniture, kill the goldfish (and try to kill the cat at one point), deliberately break everything that could possibly be breakable&#8230;it goes on and on.  Ryan at one point got so overwhelmed that she stood on a balcony and threatened to jump if they didn&#8217;t stop it; apparently a bunch of the kids started chanting &#8220;Jump, Jump, Jump.&#8221;  (she didn&#8217;t).  Finally *someone* called the cops, which, according to Lefkowitz, broke the code (as always) of silence.  No one likes a narc, you see.  </p>
<p>so, to tie this back to the email business: no one was sorry for this, and no one was punished, except Ryan, who got sent to boarding school or suchlike.  The genearl sense was that she somehow &#8220;deserved it,&#8221; because she wasn&#8217;t popular.  But in the yearbook that year, there were a lot of fond tributes to &#8220;Ryan&#8217;s Wreck&#8221; among &#8220;best memories.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: littlem</title>
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		<dc:creator>littlem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer to your last question, I believe, Indy, would be a sense of entitlement in this country based on wealth, gender, and athletic ability, and sometimes amplified by youth and (dominant) race.

Please insert that hypothesis somewhere in your indentity theory study if it hasn't already raised its head.  And if it hasn't raised its head, please ask yourself why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer to your last question, I believe, Indy, would be a sense of entitlement in this country based on wealth, gender, and athletic ability, and sometimes amplified by youth and (dominant) race.</p>
<p>Please insert that hypothesis somewhere in your indentity theory study if it hasn&#8217;t already raised its head.  And if it hasn&#8217;t raised its head, please ask yourself why.</p>
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		<title>By: mischief</title>
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		<dc:creator>mischief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 05:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You keep hearing about a possible record, but NOONE seems to know what it is.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
"&lt;a href="http://www.wral.com/news/8513890/detail.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;According to a 2002 police report&lt;/a&gt;, the woman, currently a 27-year-old student at North Carolina Central University, gave a taxi driver a lap dance at a Durham strip club. Subsequently, according to the report, she stole the man's car and led deputies on a high-speed chase that ended in Wake County. Apparently, the deputy thought the chase was over when the woman turned down a dead-end road near Brier Creek, but instead she tried to run over him, according to the police report."

"The case was resolved when she admitted she made a mistake, paid restitution and served probation and some jail time."

In the article, her former defense attorney says some nice things about her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You keep hearing about a possible record, but NOONE seems to know what it is.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;<a href="http://www.wral.com/news/8513890/detail.html" rel="nofollow">According to a 2002 police report</a>, the woman, currently a 27-year-old student at North Carolina Central University, gave a taxi driver a lap dance at a Durham strip club. Subsequently, according to the report, she stole the man&#8217;s car and led deputies on a high-speed chase that ended in Wake County. Apparently, the deputy thought the chase was over when the woman turned down a dead-end road near Brier Creek, but instead she tried to run over him, according to the police report.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The case was resolved when she admitted she made a mistake, paid restitution and served probation and some jail time.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the article, her former defense attorney says some nice things about her.</p>
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		<title>By: IndyLib</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndyLib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 03:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barbara, I'm not sure that using pseudonyms in front of the victim and signing a private email with a jersey number reflect the same psychological issues or modes of identity behavior (although I would suspect there is some overlap).

Speculative mode here: the pseudonym usage is a behavior I see as being employed specifically and consciously to cover up their traceable identities because they knew they were doing something wrong to the victim and/or started off with the intent to do something wrong to her.  I assume they figured if she couldn't identify them, they'd be harder to prosecute, or something up that alley.

But signing an email that presumably went out only (or predominantly) to his teammates with his jersey number seems different.  Obviously, his teammates know his jersey number, and know who he is, so he is not "covering up" in the same way when he does that.  But I do wonder if he was "covering up" in a different way.

Put another way, I'm wondering the extent to which "Ryan" is one persona, and "41" is a different persona who would do things that "Ryan" might not choose to do.  Further, I wonder about the extent to which these two personas might be confused inside of the young man's own mind.  I'm not suggesting a multiple personality here, and I'm not a shrink so I'm probably screwing the terminology all up, but I do study identity theory and I'm examining it from that perspective.

The reason for this line of inquiry is that, as discussed in one thread or another that I've read lately about this case (maybe here at Alas?), there's a tendency by some folks to view rapists as "monsters" rather than "normal" men who have adjusted themselves in a psychological fashion that makes them capable of rape.  I tend toward the latter interpretation.  I don't view most rapists as "bad seeds", although some may be, but rather as men who started off as normal little boys but then acquired beliefs and an identity somewhere along the way that allow them to objectify women enough to rape them.  I'm trying to peel back the layers of the identities that men might acquire which would affect their behavior in such a fashion as to turn some of them into rapists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara, I&#8217;m not sure that using pseudonyms in front of the victim and signing a private email with a jersey number reflect the same psychological issues or modes of identity behavior (although I would suspect there is some overlap).</p>
<p>Speculative mode here: the pseudonym usage is a behavior I see as being employed specifically and consciously to cover up their traceable identities because they knew they were doing something wrong to the victim and/or started off with the intent to do something wrong to her.  I assume they figured if she couldn&#8217;t identify them, they&#8217;d be harder to prosecute, or something up that alley.</p>
<p>But signing an email that presumably went out only (or predominantly) to his teammates with his jersey number seems different.  Obviously, his teammates know his jersey number, and know who he is, so he is not &#8220;covering up&#8221; in the same way when he does that.  But I do wonder if he was &#8220;covering up&#8221; in a different way.</p>
<p>Put another way, I&#8217;m wondering the extent to which &#8220;Ryan&#8221; is one persona, and &#8220;41&#8243; is a different persona who would do things that &#8220;Ryan&#8221; might not choose to do.  Further, I wonder about the extent to which these two personas might be confused inside of the young man&#8217;s own mind.  I&#8217;m not suggesting a multiple personality here, and I&#8217;m not a shrink so I&#8217;m probably screwing the terminology all up, but I do study identity theory and I&#8217;m examining it from that perspective.</p>
<p>The reason for this line of inquiry is that, as discussed in one thread or another that I&#8217;ve read lately about this case (maybe here at Alas?), there&#8217;s a tendency by some folks to view rapists as &#8220;monsters&#8221; rather than &#8220;normal&#8221; men who have adjusted themselves in a psychological fashion that makes them capable of rape.  I tend toward the latter interpretation.  I don&#8217;t view most rapists as &#8220;bad seeds&#8221;, although some may be, but rather as men who started off as normal little boys but then acquired beliefs and an identity somewhere along the way that allow them to objectify women enough to rape them.  I&#8217;m trying to peel back the layers of the identities that men might acquire which would affect their behavior in such a fashion as to turn some of them into rapists.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 02:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silly point, but FYI the Ivy League is a college sports league.

Ginger, I've tried reading the email with your spin on it, but I don't think so... I think it's just what it seems.  Not ironic, not disgusted, but f-d up, the kind of sick mentality that would lead to raping strippers actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silly point, but FYI the Ivy League is a college sports league.</p>
<p>Ginger, I&#8217;ve tried reading the email with your spin on it, but I don&#8217;t think so&#8230; I think it&#8217;s just what it seems.  Not ironic, not disgusted, but f-d up, the kind of sick mentality that would lead to raping strippers actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2006 01:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, some people refer to Duke as the Ivy League school of the South.  And it does have a lot of ivy growing on the older buildings . . . Yes IndyLib, his jersey number was 41.  Apparently team members referred to themselves by their jersey numbers  and other pseudonyms in front of the victim.   They also used a false name to hire her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, some people refer to Duke as the Ivy League school of the South.  And it does have a lot of ivy growing on the older buildings . . . Yes IndyLib, his jersey number was 41.  Apparently team members referred to themselves by their jersey numbers  and other pseudonyms in front of the victim.   They also used a false name to hire her.</p>
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		<title>By: Kell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Kell, Duke is not an Ivy. The Ivy League is Yale, Harvard, Brown, Princeton, Dartmouth, UPenn, Columbia and Cornell. "

Actually, I'm personally reassured that I didn't know that someone had codified that term to that degree. (But, then, I don't care who wins TV talent shows either.) I do wish we had shorthand for "private school for rich, white, conservative kids," though. I.e. an American version of what Brit's call "public" schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Kell, Duke is not an Ivy. The Ivy League is Yale, Harvard, Brown, Princeton, Dartmouth, UPenn, Columbia and Cornell. &#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;m personally reassured that I didn&#8217;t know that someone had codified that term to that degree. (But, then, I don&#8217;t care who wins TV talent shows either.) I do wish we had shorthand for &#8220;private school for rich, white, conservative kids,&#8221; though. I.e. an American version of what Brit&#8217;s call &#8220;public&#8221; schools.</p>
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		<title>By: IndyLib</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndyLib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know what the 41 references?  He uses it like a signature, and I wonder if 41 is his team jersey number.  Which makes me wonder whether they objectified even their own selves to such an extent that chunks of their identities, such as their given names, were replaced by alternate personas marked by lacrosse team symbolics?

I've read about that sort of thing before, how sometimes membership in a powerful group can induce actual alterations in identities, and how renaming is often used (whether consciously or subconsciously) to affect those changes.  I wish I could remember where I've read about it.  Something about cults and renaming maybe?  Or somewhere in one of Foucault's books?  Anyone else know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know what the 41 references?  He uses it like a signature, and I wonder if 41 is his team jersey number.  Which makes me wonder whether they objectified even their own selves to such an extent that chunks of their identities, such as their given names, were replaced by alternate personas marked by lacrosse team symbolics?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read about that sort of thing before, how sometimes membership in a powerful group can induce actual alterations in identities, and how renaming is often used (whether consciously or subconsciously) to affect those changes.  I wish I could remember where I&#8217;ve read about it.  Something about cults and renaming maybe?  Or somewhere in one of Foucault&#8217;s books?  Anyone else know?</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way it's phrased makes me think Arch and Tack are two of the three rapists the woman said attacked her and Ryan himself is the third. Where to go after gang-raping a woman with your buds, what could be more thrilling than the rush of what he just experienced? The murder and skinning of a woman qualifies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way it&#8217;s phrased makes me think Arch and Tack are two of the three rapists the woman said attacked her and Ryan himself is the third. Where to go after gang-raping a woman with your buds, what could be more thrilling than the rush of what he just experienced? The murder and skinning of a woman qualifies.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kell, Duke is not an Ivy.  The Ivy League is Yale, Harvard, Brown, Princeton, Dartmouth, UPenn, Columbia and Cornell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kell, Duke is not an Ivy.  The Ivy League is Yale, Harvard, Brown, Princeton, Dartmouth, UPenn, Columbia and Cornell.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A different but analogous spin to Ginger's:  The e-mail is a riposte in a game of "Can you top this" -- and perhaps the two referenced by name are those who objected to the whole business (as in, we know you won't be there).  There's no way to know. None -- except that, as others have said, it is clear that all present at the house have a great deal more knowledge than they seem to have admitted.  But then, as I have suspected, more than a few may be cooperating sotto voce.  I have to believe that when parents (and their lawyers) get involved they are unlikely to be amused by any notion of standing and falling together.  They may be affluent but they weren't planning on supporting these kids through prison and beyond.   And it just may be that some of these guys do have a conscience, they just don't want it to be known in public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A different but analogous spin to Ginger&#8217;s:  The e-mail is a riposte in a game of &#8220;Can you top this&#8221; &#8212; and perhaps the two referenced by name are those who objected to the whole business (as in, we know you won&#8217;t be there).  There&#8217;s no way to know. None &#8212; except that, as others have said, it is clear that all present at the house have a great deal more knowledge than they seem to have admitted.  But then, as I have suspected, more than a few may be cooperating sotto voce.  I have to believe that when parents (and their lawyers) get involved they are unlikely to be amused by any notion of standing and falling together.  They may be affluent but they weren&#8217;t planning on supporting these kids through prison and beyond.   And it just may be that some of these guys do have a conscience, they just don&#8217;t want it to be known in public.</p>
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		<title>By: geoduck2</title>
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		<dc:creator>geoduck2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Add homophobia (and perhaps just-plain-generic abuse) to the list. Apparently, three Ivy League LaCrosse guys (including one from the Duke team) harassed and beat up on a complete stranger in DC a few months ago. Duke now says they've set up committees to look into the "culture" of the team and on campus... &lt;/i&gt;

Wow!  I hadn't heard that before.  Peter Wood, a historian at Duke, told a Dean a few years ago that the team was "out of control."  Wood has coached lacrosse in the past (although not at Duke.)  He also wrote a great book on slavery in South Carolina called _Black Majority_.  

The e-mail boggles the mind.  It's insight into a scary mind. 

I'm glad someone turned in the e-mail and is apparently co-operating with the police.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Add homophobia (and perhaps just-plain-generic abuse) to the list. Apparently, three Ivy League LaCrosse guys (including one from the Duke team) harassed and beat up on a complete stranger in DC a few months ago. Duke now says they&#8217;ve set up committees to look into the &#8220;culture&#8221; of the team and on campus&#8230; </i></p>
<p>Wow!  I hadn&#8217;t heard that before.  Peter Wood, a historian at Duke, told a Dean a few years ago that the team was &#8220;out of control.&#8221;  Wood has coached lacrosse in the past (although not at Duke.)  He also wrote a great book on slavery in South Carolina called _Black Majority_.  </p>
<p>The e-mail boggles the mind.  It&#8217;s insight into a scary mind. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad someone turned in the e-mail and is apparently co-operating with the police.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is how I interpreted the email at first glance, if anybody is interested in a different take:

Disgusted by the night's events, McFayden sends out the over-the-top sarcastic question of what could possibly top that night's violence/rape. To me, that seems to make the phrase "tonights show" make more sense. Also, if you're reading it this way, his request for "all in besides arch and tack" makes sense as well, if he's implicating Arch and Tack in the crime. Basically, Arch and Tack are so morally repugnant that the author is sure that they'll be in for the sarcastically suggested "activities." 

That's just how I saw it, and I'm in no way suggesting that McFayden is some kind of moral figure, because if he was so disgusted he could have gone to the police instead of cravenly covering for his teammates. Also, if you read the email the way I do, then it suggests that the whole team (all of whom the email was CC'd to) knew exactly what had gone on during the night's "show"--a brutal rape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is how I interpreted the email at first glance, if anybody is interested in a different take:</p>
<p>Disgusted by the night&#8217;s events, McFayden sends out the over-the-top sarcastic question of what could possibly top that night&#8217;s violence/rape. To me, that seems to make the phrase &#8220;tonights show&#8221; make more sense. Also, if you&#8217;re reading it this way, his request for &#8220;all in besides arch and tack&#8221; makes sense as well, if he&#8217;s implicating Arch and Tack in the crime. Basically, Arch and Tack are so morally repugnant that the author is sure that they&#8217;ll be in for the sarcastically suggested &#8220;activities.&#8221; </p>
<p>That&#8217;s just how I saw it, and I&#8217;m in no way suggesting that McFayden is some kind of moral figure, because if he was so disgusted he could have gone to the police instead of cravenly covering for his teammates. Also, if you read the email the way I do, then it suggests that the whole team (all of whom the email was CC&#8217;d to) knew exactly what had gone on during the night&#8217;s &#8220;show&#8221;&#8211;a brutal rape.</p>
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		<title>By: erikagillian</title>
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		<dc:creator>erikagillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My folklore professor at University of California, Berkeley, wrote a paper on the rape imagery in football folklore, mostly folkspeech.  It was called &lt;i&gt;Touchdown in the End-Zone&lt;/i&gt;.  He considered the game a ritualized homosexual gang rape.

The language you use does mean something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My folklore professor at University of California, Berkeley, wrote a paper on the rape imagery in football folklore, mostly folkspeech.  It was called <i>Touchdown in the End-Zone</i>.  He considered the game a ritualized homosexual gang rape.</p>
<p>The language you use does mean something.</p>
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