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it would be interesting, but maybe not too interesting, to hear arguments why all persons eligible should not be vaccinated immediately.

My editorial choice of the word ‘Hebrew’ came from the fact that the word just sounds archaic, hence emphasizing the thousands year old part. That Judaism is by far the healthiest view of sexuality and women among the Abrahamic religions is well known, the occasional beating of old women in buses notwithstanding. It wasn’t my attention to randomly assign blame to Jews, when we’ve got a perfectly healthy Mel Gibson around to do that.

“This is also probably the Jews fault.”

My impression was that the Jews popularized the notion of Lilith - Christian writings, I believe, make little reference to her. Really, they needn’t have, because they’re perfectly capable of demonizing the normal woman in Eve without resorting to actual demons.

Very little, apparently.

This is also probably the Jews fault.

As for being sex-negative, if we could just get those whacky Christians to read Shir Hashirim maybe they’d get over their sexual hangups and stop blaming us for them as well …

Very little, apparently.

Not sure what anyone here knows midrashically about Lilith, but I have to agree she was a pretty groovy chick.

Just a general reference to that coin-operated relic in your local Marriot suite whose misogyny and anti-sex weirdness is taken by some to be authoritative. As long as we’re talking about apples here, there’s so much that’s wrong with the Adam and Eve story. (Particularly relevant on a feminist site, as it has been the excuse for much sexism over the centuries, what with wily females causing all sorts of trouble like the damnation of man and all. Though if you want wily, you can’t go wrong with Lilith, who must have been a pretty groovy chick.) Why was the tree placed smack dab in the centre of the Garden of Eden, with the four rivers placed around it? How could God condemn Adam and Eve when at the time they decided to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they [b]hadn’t eaten it yet[/b] and thus had no moral agency? But I digress.

And yeah, I’m guessing MAP is a troll, given its ability to spell long words and at length when convenient, then suddenly having trouble using the apostrophe properly.

How about providing a rational ground for assuming that sexual activity is inherently bad? Outside of thousand-year old Hebrew folktales involving evil apples and a flatass Earth, if you please.

“To simply advocate vaccinations to protect those who fail to acknowledge these dangers will only protect irresponsible people that are inherently careless about the long term effects of their actions.”

Nah, sexual puritans, I’d say, are more careless about the long terms effects of their actions. They have a tendency to invade the wrong country and shoot lawyers in the face.

Are you advocating for Hepatitis A vaccination or B? Hepatitis A is primarily water related and is not a concern where water treatment is widespread though it is a problem in the third world. Hepatitis B is more problematic in the US but it is primarily transferred by blood to blood transfer not incidental contact as you state. Strains C-G do not have vaccines.

I’m very careful about when and with whom I will have sex. Testing is a prerequisite but as I found HPV is not included in sexual health history or testing. I always use condoms. I also have high risk HPV. It may some day progress into cervical cancer (I’ve already had two close calls) and we all know that cancer kills (despite your ! cancer is NOT curable). Please send me the deed to my moral high ground.

A few more things about HPV. It is incredibly widespread. Estimates are that 80% or more of the population have some strain and many have multiple. Because of its prevalence it is not an STD that is traced. When I was diagnosed and I subsequently freaked out my doctor informed me that it wasn’t worth trying to figure out who I got it from or notifying any subsequent partners. Because so many people have it it is nearly impossible to trace. A three hundred dollar series of vaccines would have saved me (thankfully my insurance) over two thousand dollars thus far. Because this is a life time infection this amount will only go up. I am thrilled that my daughters will not have to deal with this.

Me thinks so. Unfortunately, MAP doesn’t even understand what a vaccine is.

Lee, HPV isnt as dangerous as HIV or Hepatitis (Cancer is curable! atleast in early stages). No it is not hard to detect HPV or Cervical cancer, it needs appropriate tests, thats all.

Ah. So those women out there dying of cervical cancer just need TESTS. Why didn’t someone see that? Oh, wait… I know! It’s because (contrary to popular belief) you CAN’T accurately test for many things in a manner which is both effective and affordable–and CC is one of them. it’s easy to miss.

Not to mention the obvious: Barring your cheerful “cancer is curable” comment…. you’re wrong. it’s curable–sometimes. But curing cancer is no fun, not cheap, and a whole lot more dangerous than vaccinating.

Sailorman, I understand your view point about the immediacy of the effects and general caution by actors involved.

Great! Can you explain why you think it is wrong, then?

My point is not that it will not be safer to protect against damages that will be visible after a prolonged period of time.
OK. This is not entirely clear but let’s keep going.

To simply advocate vaccinations to protect those who fail to acknowledge these dangers will only protect irresponsible people that are inherently careless about the long term effects of their actions.

But…. the vaccine IS safer. You’re protecting them. Protection is safety. Are you only trying to protect people who adhere to a certain moral code? Is “overprotection” bad?

If so, you need to change your initial “my point is” statement. You need to change it a LOT.

Obviously these people will not take measures to protect others around themselves from dangers they themselves choose to ignore.

You may be right! That’s why the vaccine is so important. They won’t protect others around themselves, so we can protect for them, by vaccinating.

This puts them into the likes of drunk drivers (not only risking their own lives but those of others around them as well).

ooh, this is a really atrocious analogy. Can’t you compare them to Nazis or something instead? Sex (voluntary sex) requires the assent of both people. If one is UNKNOWINGLY infected then the other will get HPV. If one is vaccinated transmission cannot occur.

PS: Vaccinations will allow people to carry the virus, but be immune to its affects! That is what vaccines do! How dangerous is that? Arming up for a biological war are we?

What the #$%#!! are you talking about? I’m really wasting my time with you, aren’t i.

There are strains of Hepatitis (A- D) with some difference in the virus DNA structure. The contagiousness of each of these vary of which B is considered lethal, none is completely curable and D can only exist if other kinds already exist.

Sailorman, I understand your view point about the immediacy of the effects and general caution by actors involved. My point is not that it will not be safer to protect against damages that will be visible after a prolonged period of time. To simply advocate vaccinations to protect those who fail to acknowledge these dangers will only protect irresponsible people that are inherently careless about the long term effects of their actions. Obviously these people will not take measures to protect others around themselves from dangers they themselves choose to ignore. This puts them into the likes of drunk drivers (not only risking their own lives but those of others around them as well).

PS: Vaccinations will allow people to carry the virus, but be immune to its affects! That is what vaccines do! How dangerous is that? Arming up for a biological war are we?