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	<title>Comments on: Review: In Our Time: Memoir of a Revolution</title>
	<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/10/31/review-in-our-time-memoir-of-a-revolution/</link>
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		<title>By: Maia</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/10/31/review-in-our-time-memoir-of-a-revolution/#comment-198313</link>
		<dc:creator>Maia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/10/31/review-in-our-time-memoir-of-a-revolution/#comment-198313</guid>
		<description>Betay - Alice Echols book is an interesting read, but I do think she makes a mistake in focusing on the 'cutting edge' and ideas of the women's liberation movement, rather than looking more about what happened within the movement, and how women used those ideas. 

KH I agree you about sterilisations, I can' t believe she dismisses that out of hand.  I'm not particularly fond of that review though.  I agree with some ofthe points, in the review - but the way she personally attacks Susan Brownmiller, and unnamed amporphous people who agree with Susan Brownmiller, really bothers me .  I don't think writing a bad book is a sign that you are unworthy person.  

Amp - thanks for finding that I don't know how I missed it.  I must have been tired - I called Bernadine Dohrn 'Bernadette' (but oddly enough still remembered how to spell her surname) - oh the shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Betay - Alice Echols book is an interesting read, but I do think she makes a mistake in focusing on the &#8216;cutting edge&#8217; and ideas of the women&#8217;s liberation movement, rather than looking more about what happened within the movement, and how women used those ideas. </p>
<p>KH I agree you about sterilisations, I can&#8217; t believe she dismisses that out of hand.  I&#8217;m not particularly fond of that review though.  I agree with some ofthe points, in the review - but the way she personally attacks Susan Brownmiller, and unnamed amporphous people who agree with Susan Brownmiller, really bothers me .  I don&#8217;t think writing a bad book is a sign that you are unworthy person.  </p>
<p>Amp - thanks for finding that I don&#8217;t know how I missed it.  I must have been tired - I called Bernadine Dohrn &#8216;Bernadette&#8217; (but oddly enough still remembered how to spell her surname) - oh the shame.</p>
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		<title>By: KH</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/10/31/review-in-our-time-memoir-of-a-revolution/#comment-198243</link>
		<dc:creator>KH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 03:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/10/31/review-in-our-time-memoir-of-a-revolution/#comment-198243</guid>
		<description>Compare this review by one of the 'ultra-leftists' Brownmiller criticizes:

http://www.socialistviewpoint.org/oct_01/oct_01_19.html

Socialist feminism has long since been eclipsed as a current within US feminism, but similar divisions within the movement along class, racial, national &#38; other lines are still very much with us.

Aside:  Forced sterilization wasn't a bizarre or sectarian concern during that period.  The last forced sterilzation in the continental US was in 1981, &#38; the US government conducted mass sterilization under troubling circumstances in Puerto Rico.  Although the members of the political class who had continued to advocate negative eugenics after 1945 had for the most point had stopped advocating it by the late 1960s, they still occupied elite positions in state &#38; society.  Major magazines &#38; newspapers gave extensive, positive coverage to proposals  for sterilization of lower class blacks promulgated by William Shockley &#38; others.

All this may seem as distant as the 14th century to people born later, but it was a lingering part of mainstream political discourse as late as the 1960s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compare this review by one of the &#8216;ultra-leftists&#8217; Brownmiller criticizes:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.socialistviewpoint.org/oct_01/oct_01_19.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.socialistviewpoint.org/oct_01/oct_01_19.html</a></p>
<p>Socialist feminism has long since been eclipsed as a current within US feminism, but similar divisions within the movement along class, racial, national &amp; other lines are still very much with us.</p>
<p>Aside:  Forced sterilization wasn&#8217;t a bizarre or sectarian concern during that period.  The last forced sterilzation in the continental US was in 1981, &amp; the US government conducted mass sterilization under troubling circumstances in Puerto Rico.  Although the members of the political class who had continued to advocate negative eugenics after 1945 had for the most point had stopped advocating it by the late 1960s, they still occupied elite positions in state &amp; society.  Major magazines &amp; newspapers gave extensive, positive coverage to proposals  for sterilization of lower class blacks promulgated by William Shockley &amp; others.</p>
<p>All this may seem as distant as the 14th century to people born later, but it was a lingering part of mainstream political discourse as late as the 1960s.</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/10/31/review-in-our-time-memoir-of-a-revolution/#comment-198161</link>
		<dc:creator>Betsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/10/31/review-in-our-time-memoir-of-a-revolution/#comment-198161</guid>
		<description>I also recommend Alice Echols' Daring to Be Bad, which is about the radical wing of the feminist movement in the U.S.  She sometimes draws her lines a little too starkly, in my opinion, but it's great for its meticulous research and the detail she provides about the women in the movement.  She does a good job combining social and intellectual history in interesting ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also recommend Alice Echols&#8217; Daring to Be Bad, which is about the radical wing of the feminist movement in the U.S.  She sometimes draws her lines a little too starkly, in my opinion, but it&#8217;s great for its meticulous research and the detail she provides about the women in the movement.  She does a good job combining social and intellectual history in interesting ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Feministe &#187; Spunky Girl Revolutionary</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/10/31/review-in-our-time-memoir-of-a-revolution/#comment-198135</link>
		<dc:creator>Feministe &#187; Spunky Girl Revolutionary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/10/31/review-in-our-time-memoir-of-a-revolution/#comment-198135</guid>
		<description>[...] Maia writes about Susan Brownmiller and the Case of the Trivialized Movement: The last one refers to Shulamith Firestone. This is only the beginning other women are described in just the same way: bubbly, titian hair, frizzy hair, big soulful eyes, hair that falls below her shoulders, open-faced and bespectacled. She describes Bernadette Dohrn as a siren.1 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Maia writes about Susan Brownmiller and the Case of the Trivialized Movement: The last one refers to Shulamith Firestone. This is only the beginning other women are described in just the same way: bubbly, titian hair, frizzy hair, big soulful eyes, hair that falls below her shoulders, open-faced and bespectacled. She describes Bernadette Dohrn as a siren.1 [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Ampersand</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/10/31/review-in-our-time-memoir-of-a-revolution/#comment-198109</link>
		<dc:creator>Ampersand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/10/31/review-in-our-time-memoir-of-a-revolution/#comment-198109</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I can’t recommend Roxanne Dunbar Ortiz’s &lt;em&gt;Rebel Woman&lt;/em&gt; enough (although it doesn’t seem to be on Amazon)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It might be under a different title in the US -- might &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Outlaw-Woman-Memoir-Years-1960-1975/dp/0872863905/sr=1-3/qid=1162314455/ref=sr_1_3/102-1151573-9112107?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books" rel="nofollow"&gt;this book&lt;/a&gt; be the one you mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I can’t recommend Roxanne Dunbar Ortiz’s <em>Rebel Woman</em> enough (although it doesn’t seem to be on Amazon)</p></blockquote>
<p>It might be under a different title in the US &#8212; might <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Outlaw-Woman-Memoir-Years-1960-1975/dp/0872863905/sr=1-3/qid=1162314455/ref=sr_1_3/102-1151573-9112107?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books" rel="nofollow">this book</a> be the one you mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Feministe's Journal</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/10/31/review-in-our-time-memoir-of-a-revolution/#comment-262809</link>
		<dc:creator>Feministe's Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/10/31/review-in-our-time-memoir-of-a-revolution/#comment-262809</guid>
		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;ll just link to this post by BFP.        leave a comment             [Tuesday, October 31, 2006 at 1:23 pm]      Subject: Spunky Girl Revolutionary    http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/spunky-girl-revolutionary/ Maia writes &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->ll just link to this post by BFP.        leave a comment             [Tuesday, October 31, 2006 at 1:23 pm]      Subject: Spunky Girl Revolutionary    <a href="http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/spunky-girl-revolutionary/" rel="nofollow">http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2006/10/31/spunky-girl-revolutionary/</a> Maia writes <!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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