I wonder if the Tiller clinic is aware that it hired such a person as a contractor. Somebody should let them know to take their business elsewhere next time; I’m sure they’re quite aware of the name of Eric’s firm.

One (1) patient, a ten year (10) old child from out-of-state was reported to have been the victim of a sexual assault. Law enforcement officials in the child’s out-of-state community were aware of the rape and were conducting an investigation prior to the abortion procedure. Evidence for DNA testing was provided to those law enforcement officials by the clinic as required by state law. The offender was charged, prosecuted and convicted of the rape of the child and is currently serving a prison sentence.

How very surprising. The entire ‘controversy’ is simply untrue. Period.

—Myca

Yeah, that would be a good assumption, except Eric apparently hates evidence with the white-hot fury of a thousand suns . . . so without some sort of backup, I’m not really down with assuming he knows what he’s talking about.

—Myca

Because the girl in question probably lived in a cesspool of incest, which is roughly consistent with a family that wouldn’t condone abortion for 10 year olds.

I’m going to contradict Myca on this one. You’re gone now, Eric. Your original post was hostile, and I’m not going to support your personal attacks.

I support your contradiction.

;-)

If this is true, then go write it up. There are outlets in journalism, you know.

“As for me being greedy, selfish, and hateful, well, boohoo.”

You started the dialogue in that direction with your ridiculous, defensive post.

“Look how I’m crying. Of course, you’d be the first to screech personal attack if someone called you fat and ugly, both of which are true, right? Wow, unsubstantiated personal attacks ARE fun; they’re also irrefutable proof of superior intelligence! Wow, I have a new home, I think.”

I’m going to contradict Myca on this one. You’re gone now, Eric. Your original post was hostile, and I’m not going to support your personal attacks.

You are banned from this site. Please refrain from posting here again in the future.

As for my lack of a link, I understand that you all think that every smidgen of information gathered by any human, anywhere is online, but it’s not. So, I’ll have to tell you, that my firm was the firm that redesigned Tillers fire protection system after the arson. I have been in every square foot of his clinic both pre and post-reconstruction. It’s bizarre. From the pictures of smiling babies everywhere to the crematorium (shades of Treblinka) in the basement. But hey, don’t take my word for it, go see for yourself. Tiller will be happy to see you if you have the requisite $10,000.

The problem, Eric, is that without a link or any sort of backing evidence, anyone at all can claim anything at all. Your refusal to offer (and in fact, contempt for the concept of) evidence does not speak well of your position.

See, it works this way: I know for a fact that Phill Kline is sexually aroused by the thought of pregnant children. Sure, I don’t have a link, and I’ve got literally nothing to back this up, but believe me, I’ve read his psychiatrist’s notes, and they’re really bizarre.

What? You don’t believe me? Why on earth not?

As for me being greedy, selfish, and hateful, well, boohoo. Look how I’m crying. Of course, you’d be the first to screech personal attack if someone called you fat and ugly, both of which are true, right? Wow, unsubstantiated personal attacks ARE fun; they’re also irrefutable proof of superior intelligence! Wow, I have a new home, I think.

You’re out of line, and you need to stop. If you keep doing this, you won’t be posting here any longer, period.

—Myca

Also, Tiller is required to report it. No requested, not suggested, required. See here…

http://www.aidforwomen.com/ablaws.htm

You’re looking for 38-1522, to wit…

“When any of the following persons has reason to suspect that a child has been injured as a result of physical, mental or emotional abuse or neglect or sexual abuse, the person shall report the matter promptly as provided in subsection (c) or (e): Persons licensed to practice the healing arts…”

I’m sure I’ll be accused of taking it out of context, so I linked to it all. It’s a lot, therefore I didn’t copy and paste the whole thing.

As for my lack of a link, I understand that you all think that every smidgen of information gathered by any human, anywhere is online, but it’s not. So, I’ll have to tell you, that my firm was the firm that redesigned Tillers fire protection system after the arson. I have been in every square foot of his clinic both pre and post-reconstruction. It’s bizarre. From the pictures of smiling babies everywhere to the crematorium (shades of Treblinka) in the basement. But hey, don’t take my word for it, go see for yourself. Tiller will be happy to see you if you have the requisite $10,000.

As for me being greedy, selfish, and hateful, well, boohoo. Look how I’m crying. Of course, you’d be the first to screech personal attack if someone called you fat and ugly, both of which are true, right? Wow, unsubstantiated personal attacks ARE fun; they’re also irrefutable proof of superior intelligence! Wow, I have a new home, I think.

[You are so almost deleted, even though you follow the rules! --Mandolin]

I KNEW IT!

Anyone who has seen the inside of their sock drawers will understand, and those who haven’t, I have no precious link for you, sorry.

[You are so almost deleted, even though you follow the rules! --Mandolin]

Astonishing.

I believe this comment will not be approved, although it meets this sites requirements.

But third trimester abortions is not about ending a pregnancy, its about women who think they have the right to a corpse.

Oh, I disagree, Carmalita. Abortion, at any point, is about the same thing: the right of a woman to have control over her body.

Everything else is a distraction from that basic right.

And, to head off the trolls, YES, I think men ought to have the same right, and NO, in some cases we don’t, but that’s hardly an objection is it?

—Myca

PS. What a horrible, insulting phrasing you’ve chosen.

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Oh, don’t. You were not replying to Ampersand, you were replying to and quoting Sarah from comment 2.

Yes, I was replying to and quoting from Sarah. And your point would be…..?

And in that comment Sarah was specifically replying to the question:“Who in his right mind would want to stop a 10 year old from having an abortion?

And I was replying to both Sarah’s specific comments about the 10 year old girl and the other women who are also having late term abortions, that is why I said “girl/woman” instead of speaking solely about the 10 year old.

Hmmm, “quicker and less traumatic”, seems to imply that giving birth was a good thing, even for the 10 year old.

No, it does not. I think we both can agree that once a 10 year old becomes pregnant there really is no such thing as a “good” solution, whether she chooses birth or abortion. The “good” thing would have been for her to never become pregnant in the first place.

You are one who brought up cost and money. Don’t get miffed at me because you were wrong.

I’m not miffed at you; I just think you weren’t paying attention to what I clearly wrote when you said that I was implying a 10 year old giving birth was a “good” thing and when you failed to realize that I used “girl/woman” because my comment was meant to be in general to all late term abortions (not only in reference to the 10 year old).

Also, that Operation Rescue’s “man of the year” opposes a mental health exception for a pregnant 10 year old vividly illustrates how little concern or compassion the pro-life movement has for post-birth children, doesn’t it?

No, it doesn’t delve into the depths of callousness and apathy the pro-life movement has for the post-born. For that you a better illustration would be the man responsible for over half a million deaths in Iraq being triumphed for promoting “a culture of life”.

Reading critically is fundamental. In the excerpt that Amp quoted-and you can see it above for yourself-it says, “Among them were several young teens and one 10-year-old, all of them in their late second or early third trimesters.” Please note the phrase “among them” which means that not all of the women in question are 10 years old; some of them are grown women and others are teens and there was one 10-year-old ( a girl, not a woman, in my book).

Oh, don’t. You were not replying to Ampersand, you were replying to and quoting Sarah from comment 2. And in that comment Sarah was specifically replying to the question:“Who in his right mind would want to stop a 10 year old from having an abortion?”

Furthermore, I never said a 10-year-old giving birth was a good thing. I said-and feel free to go back and reread my words for yourself-that it would be “quicker and less traumatic” to have a c-section than a late-term abortion which may take a day or more to complete.

Hmmm, “quicker and less traumatic”, seems to imply that giving birth was a good thing, even for the 10 year old. Though you don’t seem to understand that a c-section is major surgery, with all sorts of possible complications: “C-sections are a major surgery, and major surgeries can have major complications. Some complications that can occur during or after a C-section include heavy bleeding, damage to the bladder or intestines, major infections of the uterus, kidneys, lungs, or other areas, opening up of the skin incision, blood clots around the uterus or in the leg veins or lungs, an inability of the blood to clot, and damage to the uterus that makes future childbirth more dangerous. The uterus is a large, muscular organ that has an enormous blood supply. When an incision is made into the uterus, there can be a lot of bleeding. Modern doctors have medications and stitches to stop this, but even so, there are some women who need a blood transfusion during a C-section. (Others, on rare occasions, need a hysterectomy to save their life). Most women who undergo a C-section need to take oral iron pills, since the blood loss is at least twice as much as during a vaginal delivery. A number of women develop uterine infections, requiring extra days in the hospital and powerful antibiotics.
“

Your right, it’s definitely cheaper to kill it in utero.

You are one who brought up cost and money. Don’t get miffed at me because you were wrong.

And as for the “Reading critically is fundamental.” comment?
Go be condescending to someone else.