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	<title>Comments on: Texas Proposes Strip Club Fees To Pay For Anti-Sexual Assault Programs</title>
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		<title>By: Aeona Heart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aeona Heart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's next?  Taxing abortions to fund sex education programs to prevent teen pregnancy?  Well, according to the radically ignorant Ellen Cohen that would make perfect sense!  Duh, Ellen.  Rapes aren't crimes of passion, they are crimes of violence.  Isn't that what you tell the victims?  Just pick up any pamphlet &#38; you'll see that rape crosses all ages, races &#38; gender.  So it's not just hot young women out there begging to be sexually assaulted after dancing all night topless.  How she equates these things is beyond logical explanation.  I'd really like her to expound upon her statements to give everyone a more clear picture of exactly how adult entertainment gives rise to a need for rape crisis centers.  If so, then why not start by taxing the most widespread form of sexual entertainment which is movies &#38; printed materials.  Cohen's statement that rape is a "sexually oriented crime" shows just how unqualified she is to be involved with recovering rape victims.  Study after study shows rape to be an act of violence &#38; many times committed by impotent men &#38; by people who use objects to violate their victims in order to inflict torture &#38; humiliation.  Rape is not merely a bunch of sexually frustrated individuals forcing themselves upon others with unwanted acts to relieve themselves.  If so, the physical trauma of victims &#38; mortality rates would be greatly lowered.  After all, if that was the only motive of a rapist then these crimes would typically consist of one or two minutes of holding someone down &#38; getting it over with.  As anyone with any worldly education can tell you, three minutes to five minutes &#38; it's a done deal.  However, sexual crimes many times last for hours or days &#38; involve violent harm to the individual above &#38; beyond subduing the victim &#38; engaging in sexual activity.  I'm sure Ms. Cohen doesn't go to her local rape crisis center &#38; counsel women by telling them they did something to encourage the crime.  But yet that is the other side of the coin that she's tossing out there for us to just accept at her word.  Do you really think Ms. Cohen would tell a rape victim that sexually oriented businesses are the leading cause of "sexually oriented crimes" as she suggested.  She says it's apples to apples, but I'm just wondering if she's thought the whole thing through to the core.  After all it flies in the face of all the social studies that have ever been done on the subject.  It's clearly a step backwards for the women's movement as well when someone goes back to that stereotypical thinking that we fought in the 60's when rape victims were blamed for their situations because they wore mini skirts &#38; no bras.  Ms. Cohen is not only suggesting that's the case, but she's proudly saying she's an authority on the subject.  I'd like to see her find any science to support her statements.  I'd like to tell Ms. Cohen that not only am I a rape victim but I'm a retired topless dancer &#38; by far that makes me much more an authority on whether it's apples to apples or not.  I can tell you emphatically she's absolutely wrong.  The person who raped me wasn't interested in anyone over 18 years old.  If anything, being a rape victim caused me to go into a sexually oriented business, but it had nothing to do with why I was raped.  What Ms. Cohen doesn't call to mind before she shoots off her mouth is that her statements are extremely offensive to those of us who are rape victims by saying that the crimes we endured are apples to compare with the apples shimmying on a pole in a bar.  What utter disrespect that shows to the victims as well as to the women who are not committing any crimes by engaging in consentual adult entertainment on private property.  If it were apples to apples, the dancers wouldn't make it home each night.  She's failing to see all the illogical implications her statements raise.  After all, if we followed her method of doing things we'd have to have a parent tax on having children to fund child abuse.  Isn't that apples to apples?  Parents are the abusers of children so by her logic all parents should bear the cost of assisting abused children.  And by all means, let's continue her logic where it actually makes sense &#38; force parents to pay for their kids educations by themselves instead of making childless adults pay for rearing their little darlings.  I mean, seriously, if Ellen Cohen wants to go down that road it could be a very disappointing trip for her if we started pointing fingers of blame at the truly responsible parties.  What about all these horrible crimes being committed by kids like the recent mall shootings, Columbine incident &#38; so forth?  Who shall we tax to fund victim's medical bills &#38; mental health needs after something like that?  Will Ms. Cohen support passing a bill to tax all parents because parents are the ones raising mentally unstable kids who go on shooting sprees?  Well... it's apples to apples isn't it?  I mean... REALLY.  Maybe she's onto something here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s next?  Taxing abortions to fund sex education programs to prevent teen pregnancy?  Well, according to the radically ignorant Ellen Cohen that would make perfect sense!  Duh, Ellen.  Rapes aren&#8217;t crimes of passion, they are crimes of violence.  Isn&#8217;t that what you tell the victims?  Just pick up any pamphlet &amp; you&#8217;ll see that rape crosses all ages, races &amp; gender.  So it&#8217;s not just hot young women out there begging to be sexually assaulted after dancing all night topless.  How she equates these things is beyond logical explanation.  I&#8217;d really like her to expound upon her statements to give everyone a more clear picture of exactly how adult entertainment gives rise to a need for rape crisis centers.  If so, then why not start by taxing the most widespread form of sexual entertainment which is movies &amp; printed materials.  Cohen&#8217;s statement that rape is a &#8220;sexually oriented crime&#8221; shows just how unqualified she is to be involved with recovering rape victims.  Study after study shows rape to be an act of violence &amp; many times committed by impotent men &amp; by people who use objects to violate their victims in order to inflict torture &amp; humiliation.  Rape is not merely a bunch of sexually frustrated individuals forcing themselves upon others with unwanted acts to relieve themselves.  If so, the physical trauma of victims &amp; mortality rates would be greatly lowered.  After all, if that was the only motive of a rapist then these crimes would typically consist of one or two minutes of holding someone down &amp; getting it over with.  As anyone with any worldly education can tell you, three minutes to five minutes &amp; it&#8217;s a done deal.  However, sexual crimes many times last for hours or days &amp; involve violent harm to the individual above &amp; beyond subduing the victim &amp; engaging in sexual activity.  I&#8217;m sure Ms. Cohen doesn&#8217;t go to her local rape crisis center &amp; counsel women by telling them they did something to encourage the crime.  But yet that is the other side of the coin that she&#8217;s tossing out there for us to just accept at her word.  Do you really think Ms. Cohen would tell a rape victim that sexually oriented businesses are the leading cause of &#8220;sexually oriented crimes&#8221; as she suggested.  She says it&#8217;s apples to apples, but I&#8217;m just wondering if she&#8217;s thought the whole thing through to the core.  After all it flies in the face of all the social studies that have ever been done on the subject.  It&#8217;s clearly a step backwards for the women&#8217;s movement as well when someone goes back to that stereotypical thinking that we fought in the 60&#8217;s when rape victims were blamed for their situations because they wore mini skirts &amp; no bras.  Ms. Cohen is not only suggesting that&#8217;s the case, but she&#8217;s proudly saying she&#8217;s an authority on the subject.  I&#8217;d like to see her find any science to support her statements.  I&#8217;d like to tell Ms. Cohen that not only am I a rape victim but I&#8217;m a retired topless dancer &amp; by far that makes me much more an authority on whether it&#8217;s apples to apples or not.  I can tell you emphatically she&#8217;s absolutely wrong.  The person who raped me wasn&#8217;t interested in anyone over 18 years old.  If anything, being a rape victim caused me to go into a sexually oriented business, but it had nothing to do with why I was raped.  What Ms. Cohen doesn&#8217;t call to mind before she shoots off her mouth is that her statements are extremely offensive to those of us who are rape victims by saying that the crimes we endured are apples to compare with the apples shimmying on a pole in a bar.  What utter disrespect that shows to the victims as well as to the women who are not committing any crimes by engaging in consentual adult entertainment on private property.  If it were apples to apples, the dancers wouldn&#8217;t make it home each night.  She&#8217;s failing to see all the illogical implications her statements raise.  After all, if we followed her method of doing things we&#8217;d have to have a parent tax on having children to fund child abuse.  Isn&#8217;t that apples to apples?  Parents are the abusers of children so by her logic all parents should bear the cost of assisting abused children.  And by all means, let&#8217;s continue her logic where it actually makes sense &amp; force parents to pay for their kids educations by themselves instead of making childless adults pay for rearing their little darlings.  I mean, seriously, if Ellen Cohen wants to go down that road it could be a very disappointing trip for her if we started pointing fingers of blame at the truly responsible parties.  What about all these horrible crimes being committed by kids like the recent mall shootings, Columbine incident &amp; so forth?  Who shall we tax to fund victim&#8217;s medical bills &amp; mental health needs after something like that?  Will Ms. Cohen support passing a bill to tax all parents because parents are the ones raising mentally unstable kids who go on shooting sprees?  Well&#8230; it&#8217;s apples to apples isn&#8217;t it?  I mean&#8230; REALLY.  Maybe she&#8217;s onto something here.</p>
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		<title>By: Antigone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antigone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;To the contrary, a validated and affective treatment for sexual offenders is increased exposure to pornographic materials because this de-sensitizes their repressed urges. One could logically argue that making exotic dancers more available to sexual offenders would actually reduce the offenses and improve public safety.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Would someone respond to this?  Because I'm pretty sure it's wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To the contrary, a validated and affective treatment for sexual offenders is increased exposure to pornographic materials because this de-sensitizes their repressed urges. One could logically argue that making exotic dancers more available to sexual offenders would actually reduce the offenses and improve public safety.</p></blockquote>
<p>Would someone respond to this?  Because I&#8217;m pretty sure it&#8217;s wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, thanks for the plug. I wanted to clarify a few things that you said about the libertarian viewpoint. I obviously don't speak for all libertarians, nor do I speak for my employers, but I think that your statements on taxation and on environmental legislation don't accurately reflect the views of many libertarians.

First, I don't think that we need to give politicians the power to "financially punish legal activities that they find morally objectionable" in order to allow, say, taxes on carbon  emissions or water pollution, because I don't think it should be legal to pollute other people's air and water without compensating them for the harm you've caused them. Damaging the environment isn't bad because it's "morally objectionable" per se, it's bad because it hurts people and their property, and a carbon tax system or cap and trade are ways of limiting that harm and compensating the victims (who could comprise all of us) for whatever harm is done to them. And I'm certainly not the only libertarian who supports such a system, although there's definitely disagreement among libertarians about how to implement and enforce such regulation.

As for the libertarian anti-tax ideology, I'm not going to say that I don't support drastically lower taxes; I do. However, I don't think that cutting taxes is the first step in shrinking the government. Instead, I think that we need to cut unnecessary and wasteful programs (corporate welfare and the war on drug users, to name a few) first in order to lower the cost of government, then lower everyone's taxes (and yes, I support progressive taxation, so long as everyone's tax rates are as low as possible) once their money isn't needed anymore. I think that especially now, during this administration that is living proof that "starve the beast" is not an effective means of getting the government to cut spending, a lot of libertarians are coming around to the view that lowering taxes alone can't solve the country's problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, thanks for the plug. I wanted to clarify a few things that you said about the libertarian viewpoint. I obviously don&#8217;t speak for all libertarians, nor do I speak for my employers, but I think that your statements on taxation and on environmental legislation don&#8217;t accurately reflect the views of many libertarians.</p>
<p>First, I don&#8217;t think that we need to give politicians the power to &#8220;financially punish legal activities that they find morally objectionable&#8221; in order to allow, say, taxes on carbon  emissions or water pollution, because I don&#8217;t think it should be legal to pollute other people&#8217;s air and water without compensating them for the harm you&#8217;ve caused them. Damaging the environment isn&#8217;t bad because it&#8217;s &#8220;morally objectionable&#8221; per se, it&#8217;s bad because it hurts people and their property, and a carbon tax system or cap and trade are ways of limiting that harm and compensating the victims (who could comprise all of us) for whatever harm is done to them. And I&#8217;m certainly not the only libertarian who supports such a system, although there&#8217;s definitely disagreement among libertarians about how to implement and enforce such regulation.</p>
<p>As for the libertarian anti-tax ideology, I&#8217;m not going to say that I don&#8217;t support drastically lower taxes; I do. However, I don&#8217;t think that cutting taxes is the first step in shrinking the government. Instead, I think that we need to cut unnecessary and wasteful programs (corporate welfare and the war on drug users, to name a few) first in order to lower the cost of government, then lower everyone&#8217;s taxes (and yes, I support progressive taxation, so long as everyone&#8217;s tax rates are as low as possible) once their money isn&#8217;t needed anymore. I think that especially now, during this administration that is living proof that &#8220;starve the beast&#8221; is not an effective means of getting the government to cut spending, a lot of libertarians are coming around to the view that lowering taxes alone can&#8217;t solve the country&#8217;s problems.</p>
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		<title>By: A.J. Luxton</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.J. Luxton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that in the higher category of club, where the amount customers are spending in the first place is higher, things might have the effect described in that divergent viewpoint.

It would depend partly on whether stage shows or private shows are the big draw.  My knowledge of the industry is informed by Oregon, where stage tips make up a fairly major portion of dancers' income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that in the higher category of club, where the amount customers are spending in the first place is higher, things might have the effect described in that divergent viewpoint.</p>
<p>It would depend partly on whether stage shows or private shows are the big draw.  My knowledge of the industry is informed by Oregon, where stage tips make up a fairly major portion of dancers&#8217; income.</p>
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		<title>By: mythago</title>
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		<dc:creator>mythago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;because exotic dancing is, well, dancing, and that is a protected form of FREE SPEECH under the First Amendment.&lt;/i&gt;

SCOTUS has ruled against you precisely on this issue. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>because exotic dancing is, well, dancing, and that is a protected form of FREE SPEECH under the First Amendment.</i></p>
<p>SCOTUS has ruled against you precisely on this issue. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: A former stripper</title>
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		<dc:creator>A former stripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 03:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A. J. Luxton is somewhat incorrect about higher cover charges cutting into stripper-profit.  Nude clubs in most states cannot in fact serve alcohol and charge high cover charges, yet have no shortage of customers who simply bring more money to take that sort of thing into account.  So high cover charges are not necessarily going to reduce overall stripper-income.  If anything, low cover charges are what bring in the looky-lous, so if all strip clubs were basically pinned with a mandatory cover charge effectively, it is not unlikely it would increase overall customer spending by eliminating the customers who do not in fact spend money in the first place (low/no cover charges at topless clubs attract huge numbers of such customers).  

So a 'sin tax' might be a good thing for the girls anyhow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A. J. Luxton is somewhat incorrect about higher cover charges cutting into stripper-profit.  Nude clubs in most states cannot in fact serve alcohol and charge high cover charges, yet have no shortage of customers who simply bring more money to take that sort of thing into account.  So high cover charges are not necessarily going to reduce overall stripper-income.  If anything, low cover charges are what bring in the looky-lous, so if all strip clubs were basically pinned with a mandatory cover charge effectively, it is not unlikely it would increase overall customer spending by eliminating the customers who do not in fact spend money in the first place (low/no cover charges at topless clubs attract huge numbers of such customers).  </p>
<p>So a &#8217;sin tax&#8217; might be a good thing for the girls anyhow.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Berg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 22:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And with all due respect to Amy — who I like a lot — if libertarians object to this, maybe they should rethink the over-the-top anti-government, anti-tax ideology they’ve been pushing for decades, which is part of what has brought us to this state.&lt;/i&gt;

And if leftists object to it, maybe they should rethink the over-the-top pro-government, pro-tax ideology they've been pushing for decades.

Tax cuts are only half of the over-the-top anti-government, anti-tax ideology we've been pushing for decades. The public has simultaneously bought into the popular parts of your agenda (pro-spending) and ours (anti-tax), with predictable results. We're equal partners in bringing this about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And with all due respect to Amy — who I like a lot — if libertarians object to this, maybe they should rethink the over-the-top anti-government, anti-tax ideology they’ve been pushing for decades, which is part of what has brought us to this state.</i></p>
<p>And if leftists object to it, maybe they should rethink the over-the-top pro-government, pro-tax ideology they&#8217;ve been pushing for decades.</p>
<p>Tax cuts are only half of the over-the-top anti-government, anti-tax ideology we&#8217;ve been pushing for decades. The public has simultaneously bought into the popular parts of your agenda (pro-spending) and ours (anti-tax), with predictable results. We&#8217;re equal partners in bringing this about.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Gray, Lobbyist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Gray, Lobbyist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This form of tax appears to be &lt;b&gt;unconstitutional&lt;/b&gt; because exotic dancing is, well, dancing, and that is a protected form of FREE SPEECH under the First Amendment.

Taxes or other restrictions which are based upon content (i.e. exotic dancing but not dancing at the prom), have been repeatedly upheld by the courts as prohibited.

Further, there is no proven link between exotic dancing and the conduct (sexual assault), which this proposal seeks to fund.  To the contrary, a validated and affective treatment for sexual offenders is increased exposure to pornographic materials because this de-sensitizes their repressed  urges.  One could logically argue that making exotic dancers &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;more&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; available to sexual offenders would actually reduce the offenses and improve public safety.

As for safe neighborhoods?  For anyone who took a moment to base their decision upon facts--read the "secondary effects" studies (that have been researched and published by academics, and cited by courts), they would find that having an adult nightclub in their neighborhood actually improves public safety.  You are safer having an adult entertainment nightclub in your neighborhood than you are having a 7-Eleven mart.   &lt;b&gt;Why?&lt;/b&gt;   Because of good lighting, security staff, lots of people around, and business owners who watch their Ps and Qs and who want to be good neighbors to the surrounding businesses.

Lastly, the public officials who are promoting this unconstitutional proposal could be viewed as domestic enemies to the constitution because they are seeking to undermine its protections.  At the very least, they are in violation of their oath of office (which should be perjury), because they promised to uphold and protect the constitution -- and clearly by this attack, they are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This form of tax appears to be <b>unconstitutional</b> because exotic dancing is, well, dancing, and that is a protected form of FREE SPEECH under the First Amendment.</p>
<p>Taxes or other restrictions which are based upon content (i.e. exotic dancing but not dancing at the prom), have been repeatedly upheld by the courts as prohibited.</p>
<p>Further, there is no proven link between exotic dancing and the conduct (sexual assault), which this proposal seeks to fund.  To the contrary, a validated and affective treatment for sexual offenders is increased exposure to pornographic materials because this de-sensitizes their repressed  urges.  One could logically argue that making exotic dancers <i><b>more</b></i> available to sexual offenders would actually reduce the offenses and improve public safety.</p>
<p>As for safe neighborhoods?  For anyone who took a moment to base their decision upon facts&#8211;read the &#8220;secondary effects&#8221; studies (that have been researched and published by academics, and cited by courts), they would find that having an adult nightclub in their neighborhood actually improves public safety.  You are safer having an adult entertainment nightclub in your neighborhood than you are having a 7-Eleven mart.   <b>Why?</b>   Because of good lighting, security staff, lots of people around, and business owners who watch their Ps and Qs and who want to be good neighbors to the surrounding businesses.</p>
<p>Lastly, the public officials who are promoting this unconstitutional proposal could be viewed as domestic enemies to the constitution because they are seeking to undermine its protections.  At the very least, they are in violation of their oath of office (which should be perjury), because they promised to uphold and protect the constitution &#8212; and clearly by this attack, they are not.</p>
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		<title>By: A. J. Luxton</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. J. Luxton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I understand it, strip club customers frequently have a budget for their visit (anywhere from $15 to hundreds of dollars.)  Let's say a customer brings $45.  To a club with an admission fee of $5 and a one-drink minimum, that means something like:

$5 for admission
$8 for a drink
$32 for spending on the dancers

The fee won't come out of the dancers' pockets because customers won't be visiting, it will come out of the dancers' pockets because, on paying a large admission fee, there's a sense that "I've already paid for my entertainment."  That sense of entitlement doesn't destroy business entirely, but it makes it tougher on the businesswomen.  Some small percentage of people will come, and stare, and not tip.  The men who stay home don't cost a dancer business.  The men who come and stare and don't tip, do.

Mind you, I'm inclined to support a tax on strip clubs just the same.  I simply wouldn't put it somewhere where it would affect consumer psychology in that fashion.  

My suggestion: Tax the clubs on total revenue, not head count.  They'll respond by raising drink prices -- when a customer is paying for a drink, they don't always conflate the drink with the entertainment the way they conflate admission fees -- and s0me of them would probably raise their admission fee, but if the choice is left up to the club, then that allows a certain amount of market variance and business savvy to enter the picture.  If some clubs make the wrong decisions for their clientele and others make the right ones, then those clubs may go downhill, but that would not leave all dancers with a less pleasant work environment.

Not that dancing in Texas is a very pleasant work environment from what I hear, in the first place, and my familiarity with the industry may not apply there.  So, caveat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I understand it, strip club customers frequently have a budget for their visit (anywhere from $15 to hundreds of dollars.)  Let&#8217;s say a customer brings $45.  To a club with an admission fee of $5 and a one-drink minimum, that means something like:</p>
<p>$5 for admission<br />
$8 for a drink<br />
$32 for spending on the dancers</p>
<p>The fee won&#8217;t come out of the dancers&#8217; pockets because customers won&#8217;t be visiting, it will come out of the dancers&#8217; pockets because, on paying a large admission fee, there&#8217;s a sense that &#8220;I&#8217;ve already paid for my entertainment.&#8221;  That sense of entitlement doesn&#8217;t destroy business entirely, but it makes it tougher on the businesswomen.  Some small percentage of people will come, and stare, and not tip.  The men who stay home don&#8217;t cost a dancer business.  The men who come and stare and don&#8217;t tip, do.</p>
<p>Mind you, I&#8217;m inclined to support a tax on strip clubs just the same.  I simply wouldn&#8217;t put it somewhere where it would affect consumer psychology in that fashion.  </p>
<p>My suggestion: Tax the clubs on total revenue, not head count.  They&#8217;ll respond by raising drink prices &#8212; when a customer is paying for a drink, they don&#8217;t always conflate the drink with the entertainment the way they conflate admission fees &#8212; and s0me of them would probably raise their admission fee, but if the choice is left up to the club, then that allows a certain amount of market variance and business savvy to enter the picture.  If some clubs make the wrong decisions for their clientele and others make the right ones, then those clubs may go downhill, but that would not leave all dancers with a less pleasant work environment.</p>
<p>Not that dancing in Texas is a very pleasant work environment from what I hear, in the first place, and my familiarity with the industry may not apply there.  So, caveat.</p>
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		<title>By: BritGirlSF</title>
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		<dc:creator>BritGirlSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that this particular sin tax is a bad idea on all kinds of levels. Firstly, in a wierd sort of way it normalises sexual assault. Drawing a link between sexual activity that is legal and does not involve unwilling women and rape...that just doesn't seem like a smart move to me. Also, no matter how many times they say that they're not claiming that strip clubs cause assault, the implication is there, and it's incorrect.
There's also the judgementalism of it, the sort of invisible line it draws between the good girls and the bad girls...icky and disturbing all around. 
Also, on sin taxes in general...like you said, it's a way for opportunistic politicians to avoid having to admit that government services are not free. It reinforces the idea held by many people that they really can get everything they actually need from their government without having to pay for it, and that's a dangerous idea that needs to be stamped out. 
Lastly, the general political climate in Texas is already dangerously prone to attempts to regulate people's private lives. This is just another step in a direction that we should all be worried about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that this particular sin tax is a bad idea on all kinds of levels. Firstly, in a wierd sort of way it normalises sexual assault. Drawing a link between sexual activity that is legal and does not involve unwilling women and rape&#8230;that just doesn&#8217;t seem like a smart move to me. Also, no matter how many times they say that they&#8217;re not claiming that strip clubs cause assault, the implication is there, and it&#8217;s incorrect.<br />
There&#8217;s also the judgementalism of it, the sort of invisible line it draws between the good girls and the bad girls&#8230;icky and disturbing all around.<br />
Also, on sin taxes in general&#8230;like you said, it&#8217;s a way for opportunistic politicians to avoid having to admit that government services are not free. It reinforces the idea held by many people that they really can get everything they actually need from their government without having to pay for it, and that&#8217;s a dangerous idea that needs to be stamped out.<br />
Lastly, the general political climate in Texas is already dangerously prone to attempts to regulate people&#8217;s private lives. This is just another step in a direction that we should all be worried about.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel’s Tavern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel’s Tavern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;Feministing on Skin Lightening Creams, made by American companies.  2. Mike at the blog Asking First started an email campaign to John Petroski.  Here is Mike’s follow-up.  3. Amp over at Alas has a good post about a proposal to impose a tax on strip clubs.  4. Race, Ethnicity, and Hollywood’s Standards of Beauty over at Voxexmachina. (Update: More commentary on Racialicious, Anti Essentialist Conundrum, Having Read the Fine Print.)  5. Blue is promoting a &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->Feministing on Skin Lightening Creams, made by American companies.  2. Mike at the blog Asking First started an email campaign to John Petroski.  Here is Mike’s follow-up.  3. Amp over at Alas has a good post about a proposal to impose a tax on strip clubs.  4. Race, Ethnicity, and Hollywood’s Standards of Beauty over at Voxexmachina. (Update: More commentary on Racialicious, Anti Essentialist Conundrum, Having Read the Fine Print.)  5. Blue is promoting a <!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Texas adult entertainment</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texas adult entertainment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;  Original post: Comment on Texas Proposes Strip Club Fees To Pay For Anti-Sexual ... by at Google Blog Search: texas adult entertainment     Technorati tag: Texas adult entertainment &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Conscious of the Benighted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conscious of the Benighted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt; Libertarian Jason      Violence in the Middle East     - Feb 20, 2007    - unknown      Join MPP’s Rob Kampia and ABC’s John Stossel in Concord, New ...     - Feb 20, 2007    - admin      Comment on Texas Proposes Strip Club Fees To Pay For Anti-Sexual ...     - Feb 20, 2007    - unknown      Paul Purged from Pajamas Poll     - Feb 20, 2007    - rbalko@reason.com (Radley Balko)    &lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
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