As usual, hair bands that don’t cop that attitude get ignored, much like hip-hop. I wonder why?

The Red Sox don’t sing songs and make statements glorifying violence and misoginy (sp?) and encouraging their fans to not get the police involved when crimes are committed. At least, as long as the MFY are not involved.

[Fixed in the name of good taste. --Mandolin ;) ]

When the Red Sox win the championships and people riot, nobody blames the Sox. When people rush a soccer game, or get into bar fights over soccer, nobody blames Beckham. If you replaced “world cup Red Sox” with “rap group” and “Dead girl” with “dead black guy” would they still blame the police for the death? I can’t be so sure they would, I’m sorry to say.

I think it’s because the media has overpublicized hiphop violence (sells lots of papers). The problem as I see it is that the public rivalries and occasional shootings focus attention on the genre. And then selective perception takes over–just like increased traffic stops lead to increased convictions.

But it’s worth admitting that the “stars” of rap and hip hop have been more openly violent than the stars of other types of music. See, e.g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hip_hop_rivalries
That is like feeding [chum] to the media sharks. As a result, I don’t see the focus coming off any time soon, unless there’s a radical change.

duplicate post? It doesn’t seem to be going through.

When the Red Sox win the championships and people riot, nobody blames the Sox. When people rush a soccer game, or get into bar fights over soccer, nobody blames Beckham. If you replaced “world cup Red Sox” with “rap group” and “Dead girl” with “dead black guy” would they still blame the police for the death? I can’t be so sure they would, i’m sorry to say.

I think it’s because the media has overpublicized hiphop violence (sells lots of papers). The problem as I see it is that the public rivalries and occasional shootings focus attention on the genre. And then selective perception takes over–just like increased traffic stops lead to increased convictions.

But it’s worth admitting that the “stars” of rap and hip hop have been more openly violent than the stars of other types of music. See, e.g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hip_hop_rivalries
That is like feeding cum to the media sharks. As a result, I don’t see the focus coming off any time soon, unless there’s a radical change.

King Tubby, who invented the dubbing process that was popularized by rappers, was murdered in 1989 when he was 58 years old.

No where does it say how it he was murdered or if it was connected to his music or lifestyle. FYI: It was a suspected robbery attempt.

Trouble T-Roy (Troy Dixon), rapper with Heavy D and the Boyz, fell off a balcony after a concert in 1990 at age 22.

And how is this connected to his music?

Luis “Papo” Deschamps, rapper with Sandy y Papo, died in a car crash in 1999 at age 23.

Again, how is this connected to the music?

Prince Ital Joe, reggae and rapper who worked with Tupac and Snoop Dogg, died in a car crash in May 2001 at age 37 or 38.

Do I even have to say it?

Coughnut, rapper with Ill Mannered Posse, died in a car crash in October 2001.

Lisa “Left Eye” Lopes, singer with rap group TLC, died in a car crash in April 2002 at age 30. A few days before her own death, Lisa had hit and killed a 10-year-old boy with her car in Honduras.

It’s not the music that’s violent. It’s the cars.

Name 10

“Countless” is an exaggeration, but here’s a list of at least 15 (several others are described as having been murdered in an unspecified manner).

That is excatly what’s going on! As long it rap/hip-hop stayed within the Black community, nobody cared. But when “Billy” and “Suzy” in the suburbs learned how to drop it like it’s hot, suddenly it became a menace that needed to be stopped.

2 men fighting in a balcony of The Pops can hardly be compared to the nearly countless rappers who have been gunned down.

Name 10.

I have always doubted this could be a complete or even a primary explanation for social deviancy (for lack of a better term). Unlike some of the articles I’ve read, I do think that many different groups have glorified the worst or most criminal “bad boy” elements in their midst. Like the mafia. But if hip hop has such a disparate and devastating impact on blacks compared to what the mafia had on Italians, let’s say, it’s no doubt because, like the aforementioned pneumonia germ, it finds extremely favorable conditions to thrive.

But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t spread its own level of pain or that those who make money purveying it don’t bear some responsibility.

I believe that the piggish attitudes towards women displayed by hair metal bands in the 80s have a lot to do with normalising and promoting the absolutely shit attitudes towards women that predominate mainstream culture today. Did they “cause” those attitudes? Of course not, they were merely reflecting attitudes that existed before the first guitar was ever electrified. But those bands and their music sure as hell did their part to make woman-hating look attractive, “fun” and desirable to a whole new generation.

Not the primary cause, but sure as fuck a contributing factor.

2 men fighting in a balcony of The Pops can hardly be compared to the nearly countless rappers who have been gunned down.

Is it an either /or?

In theory, can’t hiphop be a contributing cause to violence (and thus worth addressing) without being the primary cause?

And in theory, can’t it also be a good focus because of its ease of identification/ease of change/etc? It would be easier to change hiphop than to provide an infrastructure, fix the criminal justice system, and build manufacturing plants, would it not? Even if the quantifiable benefit is less, the cost/benefit ratio can make it worth doing.

I don’t actually think hiphop is necessarily to blame; I don’t know enough about hiphop to make a judgment. But the argument seems a bit polarized, and that doesn’t seem likely to help with a solution.

talking-stuff.blogspot.com/2007/02/hip-h…

Zakia, I think you and I agree here. Much of hip hop is not violent of misogynistic, and we need to spend more time to promoting kind of hip hop.