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	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Oryon</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/06/16/anti-racist-racist-circa-2005/#comment-340017</link>
		<dc:creator>Oryon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was an excellent post. I believe that the world needs to change its veiws on a lot of things, not just race. If we constantly observe the flaws in things, then we ignore the flaws in ourselves, which if left ignored, eventually leave us embittered. See, when we acknowledge flaws in someone else's beliefs or race or sexuality, we give them the ability to prove us wrong. If we are proven wrong, then anger takes over.

I am very anti-racist, but I must admit that I have known and even respected some racist indivisuals. Even my own father was racist. He would always talk about people behind their back, and it angered me. So, I humbled him by telling him I am homosexual. Now, he is quiet, because he realizes that he is not perfect himself.

Thank you for such a wonderful post. It takes people who are willing to speak out and stand up to change the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was an excellent post. I believe that the world needs to change its veiws on a lot of things, not just race. If we constantly observe the flaws in things, then we ignore the flaws in ourselves, which if left ignored, eventually leave us embittered. See, when we acknowledge flaws in someone else&#8217;s beliefs or race or sexuality, we give them the ability to prove us wrong. If we are proven wrong, then anger takes over.</p>
<p>I am very anti-racist, but I must admit that I have known and even respected some racist indivisuals. Even my own father was racist. He would always talk about people behind their back, and it angered me. So, I humbled him by telling him I am homosexual. Now, he is quiet, because he realizes that he is not perfect himself.</p>
<p>Thank you for such a wonderful post. It takes people who are willing to speak out and stand up to change the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandolin</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/06/16/anti-racist-racist-circa-2005/#comment-297378</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are really good points, chrys and Seth.

I think what I meant when I was originally writing the post two years ago is that "I assume that there's a greater chance that I will be verbally sexually harrassed on the street by Mexican-American men, or that the women I am with will be verbally sexually harrassed on the street by Mexican-American men, than by Anglo men."

Partially, this is because I'm overweight, and so I've tended to get more aggressive attention from non-white men. Partially, it's also the culture of where I live: in my experience, anglo men in the silicon valley tend to be less verbally sexually aggressive than anglo men in, say, NYC, where I'm more likely to be approached by white or non-white men than by either group in the silicon valley.

However, the fact that I would condense verbal sexual harrassment to sexism in general is itself probably an illustration of chrys's point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are really good points, chrys and Seth.</p>
<p>I think what I meant when I was originally writing the post two years ago is that &#8220;I assume that there&#8217;s a greater chance that I will be verbally sexually harrassed on the street by Mexican-American men, or that the women I am with will be verbally sexually harrassed on the street by Mexican-American men, than by Anglo men.&#8221;</p>
<p>Partially, this is because I&#8217;m overweight, and so I&#8217;ve tended to get more aggressive attention from non-white men. Partially, it&#8217;s also the culture of where I live: in my experience, anglo men in the silicon valley tend to be less verbally sexually aggressive than anglo men in, say, NYC, where I&#8217;m more likely to be approached by white or non-white men than by either group in the silicon valley.</p>
<p>However, the fact that I would condense verbal sexual harrassment to sexism in general is itself probably an illustration of chrys&#8217;s point.</p>
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		<title>By: crys t</title>
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		<dc:creator>crys t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth makes an important point:  immigrant groups (not just in the US and certainly not just Mexicans) tend to be more conservative than the people still living in the culture of origin.

Which is important, as people living in the dominant culture, such as Anglo Americans, tend to get their stereotypes from immigrants, and then apply them to people still living in the culture the immigrants came from (god, this is hard to express accurately).

Also, Seth:  sexism is as big a part of Anglo culture as Hispanic, it's just expressed in slightly different ways.  Because Anglos tend to see their own culture as "normal", though, they are able to see Hispanic sexism more easily and, because it's different, they classify it as "worse" and "more."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth makes an important point:  immigrant groups (not just in the US and certainly not just Mexicans) tend to be more conservative than the people still living in the culture of origin.</p>
<p>Which is important, as people living in the dominant culture, such as Anglo Americans, tend to get their stereotypes from immigrants, and then apply them to people still living in the culture the immigrants came from (god, this is hard to express accurately).</p>
<p>Also, Seth:  sexism is as big a part of Anglo culture as Hispanic, it&#8217;s just expressed in slightly different ways.  Because Anglos tend to see their own culture as &#8220;normal&#8221;, though, they are able to see Hispanic sexism more easily and, because it&#8217;s different, they classify it as &#8220;worse&#8221; and &#8220;more.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Dominguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Dominguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I assume Mexican men will be sexist"

To me, there is a diference between Mexican Immigrants living in the U.S. and Mexicans who live in Mexico. I hardly ever see people treat them as the two different groups that they are.  Though sexism is a definite trait of hispanic culture, it is exagerated through stereotipes and a large groups of immigrants in the U.S. who unfortunately for the most part do a terible job of representing our culture.

Did you know that Women in Mexico were allowed to vote sooner than women in the U.S.? 
Did you also know that women in Mexico do not automatically take on their husbands last name?

I enjoyed your post though. I always get upset when people in Mexico generalize in their so called opinions about Americans and the U.S.

Regards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I assume Mexican men will be sexist&#8221;</p>
<p>To me, there is a diference between Mexican Immigrants living in the U.S. and Mexicans who live in Mexico. I hardly ever see people treat them as the two different groups that they are.  Though sexism is a definite trait of hispanic culture, it is exagerated through stereotipes and a large groups of immigrants in the U.S. who unfortunately for the most part do a terible job of representing our culture.</p>
<p>Did you know that Women in Mexico were allowed to vote sooner than women in the U.S.?<br />
Did you also know that women in Mexico do not automatically take on their husbands last name?</p>
<p>I enjoyed your post though. I always get upset when people in Mexico generalize in their so called opinions about Americans and the U.S.</p>
<p>Regards.</p>
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		<title>By: marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  As a white woman, I know that racism is white people's problem, and it's cowardly to just walk away when you can say or do something in a constructive way that might change people's minds about how they think about race and racism.  What's been most disappointing to me is how hard that is to do, and how little other white people think that race is a factor in everyday life - how willfully blind we are.  

On a forum far, far away, I commented on the racism I thought was present in an article in the local paper, and people jumped all over me for it - demanding proof of the author's racism, wanting to know where I got off making such vicious accusations, etc.  I explained myself (twice), but people just willfully misunderstood me.  And I know that this is nothing (nothing!!) compared to what POC experience in the real world (as opposed to the internet world).  
It is not an insight at all to say that white people blindly hold on to our priviledge, but it is disappointing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  As a white woman, I know that racism is white people&#8217;s problem, and it&#8217;s cowardly to just walk away when you can say or do something in a constructive way that might change people&#8217;s minds about how they think about race and racism.  What&#8217;s been most disappointing to me is how hard that is to do, and how little other white people think that race is a factor in everyday life - how willfully blind we are.  </p>
<p>On a forum far, far away, I commented on the racism I thought was present in an article in the local paper, and people jumped all over me for it - demanding proof of the author&#8217;s racism, wanting to know where I got off making such vicious accusations, etc.  I explained myself (twice), but people just willfully misunderstood me.  And I know that this is nothing (nothing!!) compared to what POC experience in the real world (as opposed to the internet world).<br />
It is not an insight at all to say that white people blindly hold on to our priviledge, but it is disappointing.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/06/16/anti-racist-racist-circa-2005/#comment-296679</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 02:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not bad.  As a woc I have what I call my "Good white people days" and my "Bad white people days" today was shaping up to be a "Bad white people day" but you just made it a little brighter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not bad.  As a woc I have what I call my &#8220;Good white people days&#8221; and my &#8220;Bad white people days&#8221; today was shaping up to be a &#8220;Bad white people day&#8221; but you just made it a little brighter.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Vigneault</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine Vigneault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"It I contradict myself, I contradict myself. I am large and contain multitudes." ~Walt Whitman

I think the notion of a completely coherent/ logically valid belief system is a myth and is anti-human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It I contradict myself, I contradict myself. I am large and contain multitudes.&#8221; ~Walt Whitman</p>
<p>I think the notion of a completely coherent/ logically valid belief system is a myth and is anti-human.</p>
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		<title>By: debbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a really excellent post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a really excellent post.</p>
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		<title>By: Meep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 15:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Acknowledgement is the first step.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Acknowledgement is the first step.</p>
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		<title>By: ShukThi</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShukThi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 12:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that's a beautifully written post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s a beautifully written post.</p>
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