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	<title>Comments on: Cartoon: An Easy Mistake To Make</title>
	<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/</link>
	<description>Feminist, anti-racist, pro-fat, plus whatever else we feel like talking about.</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Fundamentalist Viewpoint &#171; Questioning Transphobia</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-320351</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fundamentalist Viewpoint &#171; Questioning Transphobia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-320351</guid>
		<description>[...] be honest, though, this isn&#8217;t a new observation. It&#8217;s just not every day that such a clear example of parallelism presents [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feminism is not your expectation.</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-308504</link>
		<dc:creator>Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feminism is not your expectation.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-308504</guid>
		<description>[...] racist moments. Feminism is for the transsexual and genderfluid, but we also have our moments of gender essentialism and transphobic [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] racist moments. Feminism is for the transsexual and genderfluid, but we also have our moments of gender essentialism and transphobic [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-300779</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-300779</guid>
		<description>Dee writes (referring to trans surgery):

&lt;i&gt; "I feel the same way about the decision to get breast implants. However, I find it easier to understand the motivation for that." &lt;/i&gt;

Please examine the assumptions here. Just because you arrive at an understanding by what feels like an easier path doesn't mean that there is more wisdom there upon arrival.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dee writes (referring to trans surgery):</p>
<p><i> &#8220;I feel the same way about the decision to get breast implants. However, I find it easier to understand the motivation for that.&#8221; </i></p>
<p>Please examine the assumptions here. Just because you arrive at an understanding by what feels like an easier path doesn&#8217;t mean that there is more wisdom there upon arrival.</p>
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		<title>By: Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mandolin Responds to Seelhoff: Gender Is a Constellation.</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-300438</link>
		<dc:creator>Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mandolin Responds to Seelhoff: Gender Is a Constellation.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-300438</guid>
		<description>[...] her response to Barry&#8217;s cartoon, Seelhoff writes, &#8220;To compare radical feminists to the Religious Right is propaganda, it is a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] her response to Barry&#8217;s cartoon, Seelhoff writes, &#8220;To compare radical feminists to the Religious Right is propaganda, it is a [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: nexyjo</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-300400</link>
		<dc:creator>nexyjo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-300400</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; The comic was all about two people envoking a judment on another person’s gender — like someone else’s gender totally controled their lives. If the people are dating the transperson, then why does it make any difference? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
the best definition of "trans" or "transgender" actually reflects this phenomenon, which i found &lt;a href="http://nodesignation.wordpress.com/definitions/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. it defines trans as "a person who’s gender is not universally considered valid".  i think that comes closest to hiting it on the mark, closer than any other definition i've found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> The comic was all about two people envoking a judment on another person’s gender — like someone else’s gender totally controled their lives. If the people are dating the transperson, then why does it make any difference? </p></blockquote>
<p>the best definition of &#8220;trans&#8221; or &#8220;transgender&#8221; actually reflects this phenomenon, which i found <a href="http://nodesignation.wordpress.com/definitions/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. it defines trans as &#8220;a person who’s gender is not universally considered valid&#8221;.  i think that comes closest to hiting it on the mark, closer than any other definition i&#8217;ve found.</p>
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		<title>By: The View From (Ab)Normal Heights &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Trans On The &#8216;Roll</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-300319</link>
		<dc:creator>The View From (Ab)Normal Heights &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Trans On The &#8216;Roll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 17:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-300319</guid>
		<description>[...] Abernathey with a &#8220;one picture is worth &#8230; &#8221; &#8230;  Some folks don’t like to see their own reflection, or refuse to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Abernathey with a &#8220;one picture is worth &#8230; &#8221; &#8230;  Some folks don’t like to see their own reflection, or refuse to [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: This Says It Better Than I Ever Could : Transadvocate</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-300220</link>
		<dc:creator>This Says It Better Than I Ever Could : Transadvocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-300220</guid>
		<description>[...] From Alas, a blog [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] From Alas, a blog [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; stuff of nightmares</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-300078</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; stuff of nightmares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-300078</guid>
		<description>[...] cartoon over on alas, a blog has resulted in some responses, and some blog posts across the blogosphere. in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] cartoon over on alas, a blog has resulted in some responses, and some blog posts across the blogosphere. in [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: RoxieAmerica</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-300002</link>
		<dc:creator>RoxieAmerica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-300002</guid>
		<description>What an extremly active discussion about a hot-button topic.  The comic was all about two people envoking a judment on another person's gender -- like someone else's gender totally controled their lives.  If the people are dating the transperson, then why does it make any difference?  Am I too simple-minded about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an extremly active discussion about a hot-button topic.  The comic was all about two people envoking a judment on another person&#8217;s gender &#8212; like someone else&#8217;s gender totally controled their lives.  If the people are dating the transperson, then why does it make any difference?  Am I too simple-minded about this?</p>
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		<title>By: joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-299931</link>
		<dc:creator>joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-299931</guid>
		<description>kell,
are you so sure you've known the chromosomal makeup of all your sexual partners?  do you require them to have tests run to prove it before you'll sleep with them?
if your boyfriend/husband had testicular cancer and had to have an orchiectomy (testicular removal), would you leave him because the testosterone he was injecting was not his own?  would you object to him having silicone implants as balls, because they were "fake"?
what if he lost his dick while fighting in a war?  would you tell him that you would rather he didn't have a penis, because if he had a phalloplasty, his dick would be "fake"?
would you consider him more of a man without surgery, or with a surgically- created/assisted dick?  or would he "not be male" because he didn't have the parts you require to consider him to be male?  what would he be, then?
on the flipside, what if, at ~13 years old, you didn't begin to develop breasts and curves, and instead, your voice began to drop and you became hairy?
would you simply say, oh well, i guess i'm supposed to be a woman who is hairy and deep-voiced, flat chested and muscular? or would you go see a doctor, because you suddenly became so disgusted by your body?
i think you can not understand what we have done because you refuse to put yourself in our shoes.  most trans people fight very hard with their identities.  i tried as hard as i could to be a girl, but i never was.  i would have given anything to wake up and feel "right" in my body.
now, when i wake up in the morning, everything is as it should be.  it has nothing to do with what other people think about me.   i could care less, but the fact of the matter is that if you met me, you would have no idea unless i decided to tell you.
and, fwiw, i am a man and a right-brained artist. i'm dating a straight southern baptist woman whose favorite color is pink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kell,<br />
are you so sure you&#8217;ve known the chromosomal makeup of all your sexual partners?  do you require them to have tests run to prove it before you&#8217;ll sleep with them?<br />
if your boyfriend/husband had testicular cancer and had to have an orchiectomy (testicular removal), would you leave him because the testosterone he was injecting was not his own?  would you object to him having silicone implants as balls, because they were &#8220;fake&#8221;?<br />
what if he lost his dick while fighting in a war?  would you tell him that you would rather he didn&#8217;t have a penis, because if he had a phalloplasty, his dick would be &#8220;fake&#8221;?<br />
would you consider him more of a man without surgery, or with a surgically- created/assisted dick?  or would he &#8220;not be male&#8221; because he didn&#8217;t have the parts you require to consider him to be male?  what would he be, then?<br />
on the flipside, what if, at ~13 years old, you didn&#8217;t begin to develop breasts and curves, and instead, your voice began to drop and you became hairy?<br />
would you simply say, oh well, i guess i&#8217;m supposed to be a woman who is hairy and deep-voiced, flat chested and muscular? or would you go see a doctor, because you suddenly became so disgusted by your body?<br />
i think you can not understand what we have done because you refuse to put yourself in our shoes.  most trans people fight very hard with their identities.  i tried as hard as i could to be a girl, but i never was.  i would have given anything to wake up and feel &#8220;right&#8221; in my body.<br />
now, when i wake up in the morning, everything is as it should be.  it has nothing to do with what other people think about me.   i could care less, but the fact of the matter is that if you met me, you would have no idea unless i decided to tell you.<br />
and, fwiw, i am a man and a right-brained artist. i&#8217;m dating a straight southern baptist woman whose favorite color is pink.</p>
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		<title>By: Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Some Responses to the &#8220;Easy Mistake To Make&#8221; Cartoon</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-299930</link>
		<dc:creator>Alas, a blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Some Responses to the &#8220;Easy Mistake To Make&#8221; Cartoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-299930</guid>
		<description>[...] (The cartoon these folks are discussing can be read here.) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Amused TS man</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-299922</link>
		<dc:creator>Amused TS man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-299922</guid>
		<description>to transactivist, directly above.

there is a website on successful TS men.  see here:
http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/TransMen.html

As for the rest of it, many of you are now simply being rude.  From my own experience, I can say that transition has been the best and most necessary thing I've ever done for myself.  I am a happy man with a family, successful at my job and contributing to my community.  FYI, Kell, nobody generally suspects that I was assigned female at birth, and I consider this private medical information.  I would, however, share this information with any potential dating interests if I were not married to the love of my life, a heterosexual woman.

I don't think you understand just how much of a positive impact the transition process has on the lives of transsexual people.  It's not about one surgery, and I assure you it's not about "male privilege"-- the truth is, most of us know from a very early age that we were meant to be the "opposite" sex, that our bodies are betraying us.  We are not out to mess with your politics, we are not out to subvert gender or to set back the women's movement or to get into the bedsheets of unsuspecting people.

We are simply trying to get the medical treatment we need, so that we can live happy, fulfilling lives in our true (post-transition) sex.  is that so much to ask?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to transactivist, directly above.</p>
<p>there is a website on successful TS men.  see here:<br />
<a href="http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/TransMen.html" rel="nofollow">http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/TransMen.html</a></p>
<p>As for the rest of it, many of you are now simply being rude.  From my own experience, I can say that transition has been the best and most necessary thing I&#8217;ve ever done for myself.  I am a happy man with a family, successful at my job and contributing to my community.  FYI, Kell, nobody generally suspects that I was assigned female at birth, and I consider this private medical information.  I would, however, share this information with any potential dating interests if I were not married to the love of my life, a heterosexual woman.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you understand just how much of a positive impact the transition process has on the lives of transsexual people.  It&#8217;s not about one surgery, and I assure you it&#8217;s not about &#8220;male privilege&#8221;&#8211; the truth is, most of us know from a very early age that we were meant to be the &#8220;opposite&#8221; sex, that our bodies are betraying us.  We are not out to mess with your politics, we are not out to subvert gender or to set back the women&#8217;s movement or to get into the bedsheets of unsuspecting people.</p>
<p>We are simply trying to get the medical treatment we need, so that we can live happy, fulfilling lives in our true (post-transition) sex.  is that so much to ask?</p>
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		<title>By: Transactivist</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-299913</link>
		<dc:creator>Transactivist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 02:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-299913</guid>
		<description>Following up on the fun post from Kell:

I followed those links.  All were already familiar to me, except for the IJT article.  Rebutting them, in order:
1.  The IJT article (written in 1998), in its abstract reports a satisfaction rate of 87-97% among post-op transfolk.  The article focuses on a SMALL subset of the overall trans community who are unhappy with their transitions, apparently in the hope of helping screen future surgerical candidates.  The first sentence of the introduction: "Sex reassignment surgery (SRS) is an effective method to treat the most extreme form of gender dysphoria, often referred to as transsexualism."  Not exactly a ringing condemnation of the procedure.
2.  I rather doubt Kell noticed the root of the Conway link.  The page listed is a minor part of a HUGE website, dedicated to successful transwomen (I think it is still only transwomen she documents).  It is a very clearly worded cautionary page, advising folks to be cautious about transition.  Again, not a condemnation.  In my own experience, I can honestly say I know a few transwomen that I MYSELF feel should probably not have transitioned, but they are very much a minority among the many happy reasonably well-adjusted ones I know.  Including the one I live with.
3.  This one is what I might consider a hit-piece on a particular doctor in Britain who MIGHT have been a little loose with his diagnostic criteria.  He's probably one of the reasons most of us have to get TWO independent professionals to approve us for GRS.  This one is the closest thing in these links to an actual legitimate issue.
4.  Does not apply.  Why would I care what the christian god thinks?  Or, more accurately, the thoughts of those who profess to be his followers.  Just to play in their sandbox a bit, the link quotes Genesis, where God is said to have created us in his image, both male and female.  Apparently God is genderqueer.  Further down, it is stated that GRS is a subversion of god's plan (or something like that).  Who is to say that this god didn't actually intend for me to be trans?  Besides, I like being subversive.

FWIW, the comic rocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following up on the fun post from Kell:</p>
<p>I followed those links.  All were already familiar to me, except for the IJT article.  Rebutting them, in order:<br />
1.  The IJT article (written in 1998), in its abstract reports a satisfaction rate of 87-97% among post-op transfolk.  The article focuses on a SMALL subset of the overall trans community who are unhappy with their transitions, apparently in the hope of helping screen future surgerical candidates.  The first sentence of the introduction: &#8220;Sex reassignment surgery (SRS) is an effective method to treat the most extreme form of gender dysphoria, often referred to as transsexualism.&#8221;  Not exactly a ringing condemnation of the procedure.<br />
2.  I rather doubt Kell noticed the root of the Conway link.  The page listed is a minor part of a HUGE website, dedicated to successful transwomen (I think it is still only transwomen she documents).  It is a very clearly worded cautionary page, advising folks to be cautious about transition.  Again, not a condemnation.  In my own experience, I can honestly say I know a few transwomen that I MYSELF feel should probably not have transitioned, but they are very much a minority among the many happy reasonably well-adjusted ones I know.  Including the one I live with.<br />
3.  This one is what I might consider a hit-piece on a particular doctor in Britain who MIGHT have been a little loose with his diagnostic criteria.  He&#8217;s probably one of the reasons most of us have to get TWO independent professionals to approve us for GRS.  This one is the closest thing in these links to an actual legitimate issue.<br />
4.  Does not apply.  Why would I care what the christian god thinks?  Or, more accurately, the thoughts of those who profess to be his followers.  Just to play in their sandbox a bit, the link quotes Genesis, where God is said to have created us in his image, both male and female.  Apparently God is genderqueer.  Further down, it is stated that GRS is a subversion of god&#8217;s plan (or something like that).  Who is to say that this god didn&#8217;t actually intend for me to be trans?  Besides, I like being subversive.</p>
<p>FWIW, the comic rocks.</p>
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		<title>By: A.J. Luxton</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-299912</link>
		<dc:creator>A.J. Luxton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 02:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-299912</guid>
		<description>Oh, and Amp, the original cartoon knocks my socks off.</description>
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		<title>By: A.J. Luxton</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-299911</link>
		<dc:creator>A.J. Luxton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 02:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-299911</guid>
		<description>little light @ 55: you are made of smart.  Thanks for saying something I've always tried to say, and doing it better.

jayinchicago, above: Yeah, my thoughts too -- for one, a large part of the FTM physical transition process is hormone therapy.  I bet Kell is imagining a woman with a penis pasted on, not remembering the short, muscular, bearded bald guy who serves coffee at the local shop...

The chromosome comment struck me as particularly ludicrous, since there's actually no way of knowing what someone's chromosome composition is without expensive tests.

It's always weird when so-called biological essentialists don't actually pay attention to biology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>little light @ 55: you are made of smart.  Thanks for saying something I&#8217;ve always tried to say, and doing it better.</p>
<p>jayinchicago, above: Yeah, my thoughts too &#8212; for one, a large part of the FTM physical transition process is hormone therapy.  I bet Kell is imagining a woman with a penis pasted on, not remembering the short, muscular, bearded bald guy who serves coffee at the local shop&#8230;</p>
<p>The chromosome comment struck me as particularly ludicrous, since there&#8217;s actually no way of knowing what someone&#8217;s chromosome composition is without expensive tests.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always weird when so-called biological essentialists don&#8217;t actually pay attention to biology.</p>
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		<title>By: jayinchicago</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-299877</link>
		<dc:creator>jayinchicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-299877</guid>
		<description>kell brigan said:
"I would never be romantically involved with a woman who had surgery to “become male” because s/he would not be male to me. No spark. Doesn’t comput"

What I find really interesting and actually rather amusing is how sure Kell Brigan is that she'd be able to "tell" a medically transitioned trans man from a non trans man.  I bet that Kell has probably been acquainted with transsexual men and women with out even knowing it BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T TELL HER.
In thinking this way, her statement makes no logical sense because some trans man would have to be out about being trans if he lived as a man--thus she'd already know he was trans.   Did that make any sense? 

And a more general comment: I hate that transsexuality is getting reduced to "the surgery" here.   Why are people so obsessed with genitals, anyway?</description>
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&#8220;I would never be romantically involved with a woman who had surgery to “become male” because s/he would not be male to me. No spark. Doesn’t comput&#8221;</p>
<p>What I find really interesting and actually rather amusing is how sure Kell Brigan is that she&#8217;d be able to &#8220;tell&#8221; a medically transitioned trans man from a non trans man.  I bet that Kell has probably been acquainted with transsexual men and women with out even knowing it BECAUSE THEY DIDN&#8217;T TELL HER.<br />
In thinking this way, her statement makes no logical sense because some trans man would have to be out about being trans if he lived as a man&#8211;thus she&#8217;d already know he was trans.   Did that make any sense? </p>
<p>And a more general comment: I hate that transsexuality is getting reduced to &#8220;the surgery&#8221; here.   Why are people so obsessed with genitals, anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Body Impolitic - Blog Archive - &#187; The Politics of Hypersimplification - Laurie Toby Edison: Photographer</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-299834</link>
		<dc:creator>Body Impolitic - Blog Archive - &#187; The Politics of Hypersimplification - Laurie Toby Edison: Photographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ampersand, one of our favorite bloggers, is also an excellent cartoonist, and has taken to putting his cartoons on his blog. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Ampersand, one of our favorite bloggers, is also an excellent cartoonist, and has taken to putting his cartoons on his blog. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Hymes</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/07/17/cartoon-an-easy-mistake-to-make/#comment-299798</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison Hymes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 02:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of conservative Christian str8 women who look like the woman in the cartoon minus the tatoo in Virginia, just sayin.  I don't understand how a MTF is a threat to my womanhood, never have and I have been friends with more than one.  I think it is often a very tough life and journey and I don't think I would have the courage to go there if I felt the need, but I have never experienced any nagging me to accept them, that is just absurd as a notion to me. I mean people are trying to pass, not to point out that they are trans and then insist on acceptance.  The whole continuing ban at Michigan makes me sad. 

 And do people really think it is okay to diss those folks who were born intersexual and are also identifying as trans?  There are a lot more intersexual births than you would think, in the bad old days these babies were often unofficially euthanized.  So would someone who doesn't want to be friends with a trans also ban their children from playing with a child who was born intersexual?  And the rationale for not being friends with an adult who has had surgey is that you think they have made a mistake? I can't imagine only having friends who have never made a mistake, (not that I agree) that would be an incredibly boring and lonely life.  

Prejudice is prejudice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of conservative Christian str8 women who look like the woman in the cartoon minus the tatoo in Virginia, just sayin.  I don&#8217;t understand how a MTF is a threat to my womanhood, never have and I have been friends with more than one.  I think it is often a very tough life and journey and I don&#8217;t think I would have the courage to go there if I felt the need, but I have never experienced any nagging me to accept them, that is just absurd as a notion to me. I mean people are trying to pass, not to point out that they are trans and then insist on acceptance.  The whole continuing ban at Michigan makes me sad. </p>
<p> And do people really think it is okay to diss those folks who were born intersexual and are also identifying as trans?  There are a lot more intersexual births than you would think, in the bad old days these babies were often unofficially euthanized.  So would someone who doesn&#8217;t want to be friends with a trans also ban their children from playing with a child who was born intersexual?  And the rationale for not being friends with an adult who has had surgey is that you think they have made a mistake? I can&#8217;t imagine only having friends who have never made a mistake, (not that I agree) that would be an incredibly boring and lonely life.  </p>
<p>Prejudice is prejudice.</p>
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		<title>By: octogalore</title>
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		<dc:creator>octogalore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great cartoon!  Very topical.  

I know a few conservative Christians with tattoos.</description>
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<p>I know a few conservative Christians with tattoos.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Being Amber Rhea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Amp FTW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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