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	<title>Comments on: Review: Sugarshock</title>
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	<description>Feminist, anti-racist, pro-fat, plus whatever else we feel like talking about.</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Raznor</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/10/06/review-sugarshock/#comment-306685</link>
		<dc:creator>Raznor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for introducing this to me maia.  I love the fact that the endlessly foreshadowed "use of deadly force" never pans out.  Kinda reminds me of &lt;i&gt;Frisky Dingo&lt;/i&gt; in that there's an overarching plot but most plot points revel in absurdity.

(If you don't know &lt;i&gt;Frisky Dingo&lt;/i&gt; you can watch the new episode &lt;a href="http://www.adultswim.com/video/index.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  Liquid Anger!!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for introducing this to me maia.  I love the fact that the endlessly foreshadowed &#8220;use of deadly force&#8221; never pans out.  Kinda reminds me of <i>Frisky Dingo</i> in that there&#8217;s an overarching plot but most plot points revel in absurdity.</p>
<p>(If you don&#8217;t know <i>Frisky Dingo</i> you can watch the new episode <a href="http://www.adultswim.com/video/index.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  Liquid Anger!!!)</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Squid</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/10/06/review-sugarshock/#comment-306673</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake Squid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit to a vague compulsion to follow the development of Myca's Book With Everything.  That said, this:
&lt;i&gt;John Wilkes Booth, Vampire Lord.&lt;/i&gt;
was the bit that hooked me.  I will buy a copy of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit to a vague compulsion to follow the development of Myca&#8217;s Book With Everything.  That said, this:<br />
<i>John Wilkes Booth, Vampire Lord.</i><br />
was the bit that hooked me.  I will buy a copy of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Myca</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/10/06/review-sugarshock/#comment-306672</link>
		<dc:creator>Myca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG.

John Wilkes Booth, Vampire Lord.

I am so writing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG.</p>
<p>John Wilkes Booth, Vampire Lord.</p>
<p>I am so writing this.</p>
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		<title>By: RonF</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/10/06/review-sugarshock/#comment-306664</link>
		<dc:creator>RonF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, no - written on the inside of a ring in script that's only visible when you throw it in a fire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, no - written on the inside of a ring in script that&#8217;s only visible when you throw it in a fire.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/10/06/review-sugarshock/#comment-306653</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and wouldn't the True President's return (with Excalibur) be foretold in a prophecy...a prophecy written in the form of a POEM?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and wouldn&#8217;t the True President&#8217;s return (with Excalibur) be foretold in a prophecy&#8230;a prophecy written in the form of a POEM?</p>
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		<title>By: Myca</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/10/06/review-sugarshock/#comment-306652</link>
		<dc:creator>Myca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, for the mythopoeic fantasy, maybe we could work some kind of bit about Abraham Lincoln being the True President, fated to return and reunite his land in its time of greatest need.

Probably with Excalibur, cuz that's awesome.

---Myca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, for the mythopoeic fantasy, maybe we could work some kind of bit about Abraham Lincoln being the True President, fated to return and reunite his land in its time of greatest need.</p>
<p>Probably with Excalibur, cuz that&#8217;s awesome.</p>
<p>&#8212;Myca</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/10/06/review-sugarshock/#comment-306650</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lincoln and Elaine, while on the run, can meet up with a disaffected Northern landowner of libertarian bent and have a Heinlein-style philosophical discussion-lecture about libertarianism. That takes care of young adult and libertarianism; for the fantasy and the poetry you're on your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lincoln and Elaine, while on the run, can meet up with a disaffected Northern landowner of libertarian bent and have a Heinlein-style philosophical discussion-lecture about libertarianism. That takes care of young adult and libertarianism; for the fantasy and the poetry you&#8217;re on your own.</p>
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		<title>By: Myca</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/10/06/review-sugarshock/#comment-306648</link>
		<dc:creator>Myca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: The Book With Everything

I've been putting together a rough plot outline, according to the criteria TNH posted:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The book has to be a graphic novel which is the first novel published by the author, a person of color who is an active and well-liked member of SFWA. It must be initially published in Canada, in French, as a paperback original, with simultaneous British and North American English-language editions following about ten minutes after, and a Japanese translation already in the works. It must satisfy the genre expectations of hard SF, mythopoeic fantasy, horror, alternate history, and romance, have positive gay or lesbian or bisexual or transgendered characters, and include examinations of gender, gender identity, racial identity, class, and libertarianism, while not being unsuitable for younger readers. Also, it has to have poetry in it. And a vampire.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It's called &lt;i&gt;Abraham Lincoln, Undead Fighter&lt;/i&gt;, and it concerns an alternate history in which the south won the Civil War thanks to an alien symbiote infecting the wealthy landowners and Confederate leadership, gifting them with both inhuman strength and a lust for human blood! Bolstering their abilities by feeding on the blood of their thousands of slaves, they steamroll the north, forcing the closeted gay president Abraham Lincoln to flee to Quebec along with Alain, a charismatic young racially mixed infantryman with a dark secret . Through their travels and battles against the roving bands of vampires sent to assassinate the true president, Lincoln finds himself falling in love with Alain, never suspecting the truth, that Alain is really Elaine, a young woman who fled the vampiric invasion disguised as a man! 

Okay, so thus far we've got vampires, positive gay or lesbian or bisexual or transgendered characters, examinations of gender, gender identity, racial identity, and class, horror, alternate history, romance, and possibly hard SF depending on how we write about the parasites. We could easily do it as a graphic novel and it would be the first novel published by me, but I'm not a person of color or an active and well-liked member of SFWA, so I'll need to ghost for someone who is. I figure if the bulk of the action takes place in Canada and the author I'm ghosting for is Canadian, we'll have no problem getting it initially published as a paperback graphic novel in Canada, in French, and the simultaneous British and North American English-language editions are just a matter of logistics at that point. Maybe we should do it anime-style to ease the Japanese translation.

I'm still working on mythopoeic fantasy, libertarianism, the young adult stuff, and the poetry.

---Myca, hard at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: The Book With Everything</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been putting together a rough plot outline, according to the criteria TNH posted:</p>
<blockquote><p>The book has to be a graphic novel which is the first novel published by the author, a person of color who is an active and well-liked member of SFWA. It must be initially published in Canada, in French, as a paperback original, with simultaneous British and North American English-language editions following about ten minutes after, and a Japanese translation already in the works. It must satisfy the genre expectations of hard SF, mythopoeic fantasy, horror, alternate history, and romance, have positive gay or lesbian or bisexual or transgendered characters, and include examinations of gender, gender identity, racial identity, class, and libertarianism, while not being unsuitable for younger readers. Also, it has to have poetry in it. And a vampire.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s called <i>Abraham Lincoln, Undead Fighter</i>, and it concerns an alternate history in which the south won the Civil War thanks to an alien symbiote infecting the wealthy landowners and Confederate leadership, gifting them with both inhuman strength and a lust for human blood! Bolstering their abilities by feeding on the blood of their thousands of slaves, they steamroll the north, forcing the closeted gay president Abraham Lincoln to flee to Quebec along with Alain, a charismatic young racially mixed infantryman with a dark secret . Through their travels and battles against the roving bands of vampires sent to assassinate the true president, Lincoln finds himself falling in love with Alain, never suspecting the truth, that Alain is really Elaine, a young woman who fled the vampiric invasion disguised as a man! </p>
<p>Okay, so thus far we&#8217;ve got vampires, positive gay or lesbian or bisexual or transgendered characters, examinations of gender, gender identity, racial identity, and class, horror, alternate history, romance, and possibly hard SF depending on how we write about the parasites. We could easily do it as a graphic novel and it would be the first novel published by me, but I&#8217;m not a person of color or an active and well-liked member of SFWA, so I&#8217;ll need to ghost for someone who is. I figure if the bulk of the action takes place in Canada and the author I&#8217;m ghosting for is Canadian, we&#8217;ll have no problem getting it initially published as a paperback graphic novel in Canada, in French, and the simultaneous British and North American English-language editions are just a matter of logistics at that point. Maybe we should do it anime-style to ease the Japanese translation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still working on mythopoeic fantasy, libertarianism, the young adult stuff, and the poetry.</p>
<p>&#8212;Myca, hard at work.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandolin</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/10/06/review-sugarshock/#comment-306641</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am utterly baffled.

This kind of reads like a late-night dare. "They're a rock band! And she's an alien princess! Who hates vikings! Plus, robots."

Actually, it reminds me of &lt;a href="http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/009360.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;the book with everything&lt;/a&gt;.

--

(UPDATE: It makes a lot more sense when the whole thing loads. I was only getting like 1/4 of each, which upped the randomness quotient by like 10x.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am utterly baffled.</p>
<p>This kind of reads like a late-night dare. &#8220;They&#8217;re a rock band! And she&#8217;s an alien princess! Who hates vikings! Plus, robots.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, it reminds me of <a href="http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/009360.html" rel="nofollow">the book with everything</a>.</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>(UPDATE: It makes a lot more sense when the whole thing loads. I was only getting like 1/4 of each, which upped the randomness quotient by like 10x.)</p>
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		<title>By: debgpi</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/10/06/review-sugarshock/#comment-306632</link>
		<dc:creator>debgpi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 01:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Like Chris Claremont, but on more powerful acid&lt;/strong&gt;

Found today on Alas, a blog:Sugarshock is Joss Whedon&#8217;s free on-line comic.  If you haven&#8217;t read it yet you should: part 1, part 2, and part 3.I&#8217;m not one to argue with Alas.
...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Like Chris Claremont, but on more powerful acid</strong></p>
<p>Found today on Alas, a blog:Sugarshock is Joss Whedon&#8217;s free on-line comic.  If you haven&#8217;t read it yet you should: part 1, part 2, and part 3.I&#8217;m not one to argue with Alas.<br />
&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/10/06/review-sugarshock/#comment-306631</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 01:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, sure. When they were enstoved, they were protected from Viking raiders. Out there on the tundra, they were sitting ducks. Er, caribou.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, sure. When they were enstoved, they were protected from Viking raiders. Out there on the tundra, they were sitting ducks. Er, caribou.</p>
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		<title>By: r@d@r</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/10/06/review-sugarshock/#comment-306629</link>
		<dc:creator>r@d@r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 01:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually, i read an article that said the caribou were better off enstoved than when they were roaming around the steppes on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, i read an article that said the caribou were better off enstoved than when they were roaming around the steppes on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/10/06/review-sugarshock/#comment-306627</link>
		<dc:creator>Dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;what’s with the hating on vikings?&lt;/i&gt;

Probably something to do with their history of enstoving the caribou.

&lt;i&gt;But maybe you’re a viking&lt;/i&gt;

By Odin, how could you make such an accusation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>what’s with the hating on vikings?</i></p>
<p>Probably something to do with their history of enstoving the caribou.</p>
<p><i>But maybe you’re a viking</i></p>
<p>By Odin, how could you make such an accusation?</p>
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		<title>By: Silenced is foo</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/10/06/review-sugarshock/#comment-306615</link>
		<dc:creator>Silenced is foo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 14:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That did improve my day.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That did improve my day.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Maia</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/10/06/review-sugarshock/#comment-306606</link>
		<dc:creator>Maia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 07:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It too k me a long time to load Dianne - but it got there eventually.

But maybe you're a viking or a squirrel, and therefore it refused to load? Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It too k me a long time to load Dianne - but it got there eventually.</p>
<p>But maybe you&#8217;re a viking or a squirrel, and therefore it refused to load? Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Ampersand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ampersand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 03:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loads fine for me... maybe you should try it again? It might have been temporarily down when you tried it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loads fine for me&#8230; maybe you should try it again? It might have been temporarily down when you tried it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/10/06/review-sugarshock/#comment-306596</link>
		<dc:creator>Dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 23:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone else have problems loading part 3?</description>
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		<title>By: r@d@r</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/10/06/review-sugarshock/#comment-306593</link>
		<dc:creator>r@d@r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey now, what's with the hating on vikings?  is that part supposed to be ironic?

i know we've done some bad things, but so has everybody else.  and we're not nearly as bad as those stinking saxons.

other than that, i too am a joss whedon fan, so i can cut him some slack i guess - maybe i just didn't get the joke. maybe  i'll send him an email asking what's the big idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey now, what&#8217;s with the hating on vikings?  is that part supposed to be ironic?</p>
<p>i know we&#8217;ve done some bad things, but so has everybody else.  and we&#8217;re not nearly as bad as those stinking saxons.</p>
<p>other than that, i too am a joss whedon fan, so i can cut him some slack i guess - maybe i just didn&#8217;t get the joke. maybe  i&#8217;ll send him an email asking what&#8217;s the big idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Sugarshock Fans</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2007/10/06/review-sugarshock/#comment-306576</link>
		<dc:creator>Sugarshock Fans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 16:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woohoo!

There's actually also a nice little recent bit on the artist's blog about drawing Sugarshock, now that it's over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woohoo!</p>
<p>There&#8217;s actually also a nice little recent bit on the artist&#8217;s blog about drawing Sugarshock, now that it&#8217;s over.</p>
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