Glenn Sacks and Robin Steele are the two most sane self-identified MRAs. (back)
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(24) Ampersand Writes:
December 29th, 2007 at 3:21 am
Yohan, she clearly identifies herself as an MRA.
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I wonder, if you still compare Glenn Sacks with Robin Steele, Ampersand - but see yourself, link above.

Robin Steele has engaged in a deliberate campaign of Character attacks, misinformation, lies and deceit. She has fraudulently posted that I endorsed the Rape of my Own Daughter. And communicated this Slander to Third Parties. It was Jeff Fecke who posted on Pandagon.net the spurious claim that MRAs were “Rape Enablers”. This fiction is intended to marginalize and demonize us as a group.

Robin Steele Esq., now publisher what’s next Astronaut? Has misled, lied, and engaged in attacks on a number of those of us in the Men’s movement. Many of us myself included hoped that Feminism the Second Wave would allow for more flexibility in Gender Roles. Would provide Women more opportunities. Would allow Men and Women to discard roles and allow us to be ourselves and experiment in ways to benefit both our Genders.

Feminism and Feminists turned angry and hateful. Feminism has morphed or mutated into a Gender hatred movement. Where Women see Men and see their Oppressors. It has gotten so bad. That US Men are rejecting US Women in huge numbers. And are marrying Foreign Women in greater numbers than ever.

Feminists not content to allow Men to have “Choice”, instead decided to remove choice and foisted IMBRA on the US Male populace. With the intent to stop US Men from marrying non Feminized Women. And got the US Congress to declare US Men Sexual Criminals and Abusers Per Se. Feminists are intent on trampling on our Natural Rights. We will not capitulate to them. So a New campaign of Disinformation apparently is being tried. To Divide the growing Men’s Rights Movement. The Old Gender paradigm is broken. But American Men are not willing to tolerate what is currently being offered to us. Feminists and their Allies will have to deal with this reality.

Bob’s words appear to be accurate when considered in light of an earlier blog post which RS wrote. This post (later altered beyond recognition ) contained the statement “IMBRA was just the beginning”, followed by the statement “Defeat the cretins”. Maybe I am jolly thick, but I feel certain that “defeating the cretins” was understood to be a continuation of the same campaign that began with the passage of IMBRA in the first place.

That is, those “cretins” whom RS targets for defeat, would appear to be the same group of people who were initially targeted by the IMBRA legislation - which it seems was “only the beginning” of the things which RS proposes to be done to “the cretins” in order to consummate their “defeat”.

For want of any plausible argument to the contrary, I would venture that all of this strongly implies that RS supports (or supported) IMBRA. If in fact RS meant to express opposition to IMBRA in her original (now altered) blog text, then she chose a very obscure and awkward way to go about it - one that was virtually guaranteed to give most people the wrong impression of her sentiments.

Robin Steele
http://womanofsteele.blogspot.com

Thanks, Mandolin & Ampersand, for the outing warning

To post a comment anonymous is OK, but there are limits about what you are allowed to post…

The owner of a blog is responsible for what is on his (her) website, including comments from others.

A person who feels to be a victim of slander, regardless if living inside or outside the USA has the right to request professionals to look into this matter and to file lawsuits against such a webmaster located within US-territory.

There are plenty of strange and questionable actions going on over the internet. - For sure to claim to have a right to remain anonymous ‘because I have a good reason to do so’ will not always work…

I’m not anonymous because I have no reason to be; my employer is a small non-profit run by a volunteer board of directors who are supporters of free speech. However, obviously some people do have good reasons to be anonymous, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

Why are you so afraid to disclose your identity, ‘Robin Steele’?

You said several times, that there is nothing wrong with your blog…so what is the problem about?

Check out Ampersand, and you will see, he is not anonymous…or Glenn Sacks…or Hugo with his blog…

Yes, several people you are calling to be ‘inactive’ are very busy now to check about your identity.

Maybe I’m dense but I don’t know what Robert is referring to–I don’t cross post at his blog.–GS

The other group of MRIs are generally younger, alienated college guys or young fathers shaken by a divorce or breakup who fall under the influence of the haters in forums and on blogs. They hear over and over how hopeless their situation is because of all-powerful feminist oppressors (who are also, somehow, inferior at the same time according to their story). I have stirred things up because I stand up to the first group, and try to encourage the second to strive for change.

You stated that I am not addressing the expected issues everyone else is covering. That’s why I’m NOT covering them. It’s being done. Many are focused on the war over THERE, but few are looking closer to home, at the self-sabotage within our ranks that keep men’s rights from progressing more quickly. I’m sure Glenn’s 5 posts do it better than I could.

Bob and the haters are actively and openly trying to ferret out my identity so they can attack me personally and professionally. They have identified a publicly traded biotech firm they believe I am VP and Legal Counsel for. They have posted links and encouraged fellow MRIs to contact my alleged employers, stockholders, and clients. They make up lies you will find no evidence of on my site or elsewhere. In Bob’s comment above, there are several lies:
- I’m a feminist infiltrator
- I had a full page adoration of Lorena Bobbit
- I attack men’s rights advocates such as Angry Harry
- I advocate sexual violence against men is still her dreamworld
- I am not an advocate for men’s rights
- I am a strong supporter of IMBRA
- I’m a “split personality” whose multi peronas quote each other ?)
- I’m quite “misandrist.”
- I’m “attacking real activists”

While my grandeur may be delusional, who can argue that I’ve built quite a fan club in a couple of short months? Why? Because I’ve hit a nerve. Those who are so aggressive about silencing me are threatened because they are not interested in issues, or change, ideas or activism. They create insular little chat-wombs where they tolerate the most disturbing verbal assaults even on 6 year old girls, but won’t tolerate a word against violence or rape.

I am deeply disturbed by the imbalance in the family court system, the need for fairer treatment of men and fathers in particular, and in the lack of progress toward those goals. Men’s Rights is not simply a man’s issue not responsibility. The families suffering are composed of both genders. MRAs can’t move forward with the MRIs dragging them down.
Robin Steele
Men’s Rights Activist

* posts about Robin’s quarrels with various MRAs
* posts criticizing other MRAs for being MRIs (which is clever coinage, Robin)
* posts defending feminism/feminists from MRA criticism

None of which is objectionable, but also none of which seems to have much to do with men’s rights activism. I don’t see any posts talking about (for example) gendered prison/criminal justice issues, or fathers in popular culture, or child support, or the way courts treat moms and dads, or discipline issues related to divorce. Those, by the way, are the most recent five posts at GlennSacks.com, and while I wouldn’t say “Glenn Sacks defines what being an MRA is”, I think he’s a pretty decent first approximation*.

Self-identification is a fairly useless metric where there is controversy about group membership; I self-identify as a gender moderate, but I bet most of you disagree. Robin Steele may well be sane, but there’s very little to indicate to me that she is an MRA.

* Full disclosure, Glenn Sacks cross-posts at my news blog so I am automatically inclined to endorse him ;)

Edited to Add: And by the way, before you go and click at “Bob”’s site, you might want to be aware that it is pretty vile stuff. Like, Jon-Benet-Ramsay-was-a-little-whore kind of vile stuff. If I were an MRA I would feel the need to explicitly distance myself from Bob; as it is, I feel the need to do that because of our shared species.

Oh yes, she (he?) clearly identifies her(him)self:

1 -
as a Christian messenger of peace ,
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as a radical feminist defeating the cretins,
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as a Men’s-Rights-Activist…

SHE CLEARLY IDENTIFIES HERSELF!
Great comment, Ampersand, thanks for your brilliant explication.

Happy New Year 2008!

Maybe you could check out the above website and give us a short comment how you got this impression?

It is very much out of order to compare RS to Glenn Sacks, or to rate them on the same par.

She’s a trained lawyer (lieyer) and is good with lies and rhetoric, but beneath it all she’s working hard to disrupt and create friction in the Men’s Movement. Her misandrist mission is to act seemingly like a MRA while attacking real activists and causing as much disruption as possible.

Several Men’s web sites have exposed her various lies and frauds. Here is a link to one on Counterfeminism blog: http://counterfem.blogspot.com/2007/12/detective-story-of-sorts.html

Many men’s rights activists have identified her as a misandrist female who has no sympathy for men. I suggest that you reconsider your comment equating her with Mr. Sacks. Mr. Sacks is sane. Ms. Robin Steele is not a Men’s Rights Advocate and has serious delusions of grandeur in addition to her other problems.

I would really like to see evidence of her engaging in any kind of activism in support of men’s rights. All I’ve seen is harassment and accusations based on her own personal twist of people’s words, or based on nothing at all.

Really, Ampersand, why do you think she’s an MRA? I’m honestly curious.

Glenn Sacks, Robin Steele “two most sane” MRAs
http://womanofsteele.blogspot.com/2007/12/glenn-sacks-robin-steele-two-most-sane.html