Comments on: Immigrants Commit Far Less Crimes Than “Native” Citizens

By: RonF

RonF — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:21:36 +0000

By the way, a grammatical nit to pick: the title should be “… far fewer …”, not “… far less …”. Crimes can be enumerated.

I cut up a pie. I give you a slice. I have less pie. I have fewer pieces of pie.

By: Robert

Robert — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:29:59 +0000

I was referring to the regular media references to cons. Reps but not to lib. Dems as a counterpoint to how the reporting in the study seemed similarly selective. I wasn’t talking about the polls.

By: BananaDanna

BananaDanna — Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:00:45 +0000

The polls I’m talking about measure results from folks that self-identified with a political ideology when given a variety of options that included “liberal” and “conservative”….. are they lying about their own beliefs? It’s definitely possible, but is that what you believe?

By: Robert

Robert — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:34:18 +0000

What does the relative balance of the population have to do with whether people of strong views get the “strong” label?

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By: BananaDanna

BananaDanna — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:15:45 +0000

Robert:”Huh?”

Earlier Robert:”Kind of like how there are lots of conservative Republicans, but hardly any liberal Democrats.”

By: Stentor

Stentor — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:24:43 +0000

the fact that illegals who commit crimes are usually deported, causing them to not be in our prisons, and making representation in the prison population a useless metric by which to judge

Actually, the vast majority of undocumented people who are picked up for crimes are made to serve their criminal sentence before ICE comes to pick them up for deportation.

It’s interesting that this study comes out the same time that the AZ Republic found that, according to the Maricopa Sheriff’s records, the undocumented and legal resident crime rates are pretty much the same.

By: Robert

Robert — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:21:26 +0000

Huh?

By: BananaDanna

BananaDanna — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:59:19 +0000

So Robert, are you saying that you don’t believe that American poltical ideology is generally right slanted in comparison to other countries and the polls that say that more Americans self-identify as “conservative” than “liberal”?

By: Disgusted Beyond Belief

Disgusted Beyond Belief — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:00:03 +0000

Something also to consider is that probably crimes by immigrants are likely within the same (i.e. immigrant) community and that this can skew statistics because I would expect that an illegal immigrant (or a legal immigrant with illegal immigrant relatives, which many have) would be reluctant to report a crime for fear of deportation.

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Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:41:16 +0000

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By: Robert

Robert — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:10:47 +0000

Too many glitches to list. I love how every piece of data (like the fact that illegals who commit crimes are usually deported, causing them to not be in our prisons, and making representation in the prison population a useless metric by which to judge) which undermines their thesis is something that it’s hard to know about or fully understand or completely integrate into their analysis. Whereas all the data that supports their thesis (immigrants as a group do not appear to be a particularly criminal lot) is golden and beautiful and true. Kind of like how there are lots of conservative Republicans, but hardly any liberal Democrats.

Also funny how the authors never seemed to bother to do something like, I don’t know, look at crime reporting, rather than total prison outcomes, to see what the trend is on the ground.

Agenda-based science is usually rubbish. This doesn’t appear to break that pattern.

By: Sailorman

Sailorman — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:44:48 +0000

Found it!
http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/cacounts/CC_208KBCC.pdf
I haven’t read it myself yet, but i encourage discussion to focus on the report and not the various reports about the report ;)

By: Sailorman

Sailorman — Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:35:52 +0000

I’m working on finding the actual report, as reported versions of papers tend to leave out some fairly substantial aspects of the papers, generally speaking. So far i’ve only found a working paper by the same author; if anyone else can find the cited report can you post a link?