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	<title>Comments on: Great post on fat and race</title>
	<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/</link>
	<description>Feminist, anti-racist, pro-fat, plus whatever else we feel like talking about.</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Acheman</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-321147</link>
		<dc:creator>Acheman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-321147</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That is true only if the criterion for value is calories per dollar. It works the other way if you are valuing foods by phytochemicals or other nutrients or things like fiber content. Then apples are a much better deal than Snickers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And the point is that if you are on a tight budget, it's easier to skip on phytochemicals and fibre than it is to skip on calories. The market nudges people towards long-term malnourishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That is true only if the criterion for value is calories per dollar. It works the other way if you are valuing foods by phytochemicals or other nutrients or things like fiber content. Then apples are a much better deal than Snickers.</p></blockquote>
<p>And the point is that if you are on a tight budget, it&#8217;s easier to skip on phytochemicals and fibre than it is to skip on calories. The market nudges people towards long-term malnourishment.</p>
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		<title>By: nobody.really</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-321131</link>
		<dc:creator>nobody.really</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-321131</guid>
		<description>Was I the only one who read the heading “Great post on fat and race,” and thought that Amp was going to discuss the movie &lt;i&gt;Run, Fat Boy, Run&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was I the only one who read the heading “Great post on fat and race,” and thought that Amp was going to discuss the movie <i>Run, Fat Boy, Run</i>?</p>
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		<title>By: Angel H.</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-321055</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-321055</guid>
		<description>Re: food availabilty

I go to the less expenisve grocery stores (Sav-a-Lot, Aldi, Dollar General Grocery, etc.) as much as I can. But the fresh produce sections are always pitifull. I am very picky about the produce I eat, and even if you do find what you're looking for the quality of the product is often lousy. (Organic produce is nonexistant in those stores) So, I end up shelling out a couple of extra bucks that I sorely need on the "good stuff" at Kroger or Food Lion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: food availabilty</p>
<p>I go to the less expenisve grocery stores (Sav-a-Lot, Aldi, Dollar General Grocery, etc.) as much as I can. But the fresh produce sections are always pitifull. I am very picky about the produce I eat, and even if you do find what you&#8217;re looking for the quality of the product is often lousy. (Organic produce is nonexistant in those stores) So, I end up shelling out a couple of extra bucks that I sorely need on the &#8220;good stuff&#8221; at Kroger or Food Lion.</p>
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		<title>By: BananaDanna</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-320984</link>
		<dc:creator>BananaDanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-320984</guid>
		<description>I'm pretty sure she's exposing the category error and how it renders her experiences as an Asian POC invisible, Jim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure she&#8217;s exposing the category error and how it renders her experiences as an Asian POC invisible, Jim.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-320949</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-320949</guid>
		<description>"Another offensive myth that I hear parroted around fairly often is that people of color are more accepting of fat bodies, and that men of color love a “thick” woman. Let’s just say that that is NOT my experience. In many different Asian communities, that is the opposite of the truth."

She has made an obvious category error, or probably she is exposing a category error. "People of color" as a term may have some value in some discussions, but the notion that Asians an African-Americans form some kind of cultural monolith called "people of color' is pretty silly.

"They’re also expensive. The cost of 100 calories of Snickers bar is about 25 cents; the cost of 100 calories of apple is about $1. Give or take."

That is true only if the criterion for value is calories per dollar. It works the other way if you are valuing foods by phytochemicals or other nutrients or things like fiber content.  Then apples are a much better deal than Snickers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Another offensive myth that I hear parroted around fairly often is that people of color are more accepting of fat bodies, and that men of color love a “thick” woman. Let’s just say that that is NOT my experience. In many different Asian communities, that is the opposite of the truth.&#8221;</p>
<p>She has made an obvious category error, or probably she is exposing a category error. &#8220;People of color&#8221; as a term may have some value in some discussions, but the notion that Asians an African-Americans form some kind of cultural monolith called &#8220;people of color&#8217; is pretty silly.</p>
<p>&#8220;They’re also expensive. The cost of 100 calories of Snickers bar is about 25 cents; the cost of 100 calories of apple is about $1. Give or take.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is true only if the criterion for value is calories per dollar. It works the other way if you are valuing foods by phytochemicals or other nutrients or things like fiber content.  Then apples are a much better deal than Snickers.</p>
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		<title>By: Bjartmarr</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-320904</link>
		<dc:creator>Bjartmarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-320904</guid>
		<description>There are many areas of the country where fruits and vegetables are somewhat difficult to get. Generally, these areas tend to coincide with the poor areas of inner cities. Fast food, on the other hand, is astoundingly easy to find. 

They're also expensive. The cost of 100 calories of Snickers bar is about 25 cents; the cost of 100 calories of apple is about $1. Give or take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many areas of the country where fruits and vegetables are somewhat difficult to get. Generally, these areas tend to coincide with the poor areas of inner cities. Fast food, on the other hand, is astoundingly easy to find. </p>
<p>They&#8217;re also expensive. The cost of 100 calories of Snickers bar is about 25 cents; the cost of 100 calories of apple is about $1. Give or take.</p>
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		<title>By: FormerlyLarryFromExile</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-320903</link>
		<dc:creator>FormerlyLarryFromExile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-320903</guid>
		<description>Ampersand
&lt;blockquote&gt; I don’t agree with everything Tara writes; for instance, I don’t agree that the fatosphere rarely brings up the connection between class and access to healthy food. (I rarely see it brought up anywhere but the fatosphere). &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Are there many areas of this country that don't sell fruits and vegetables or is the point that they are too expensive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ampersand</p>
<blockquote><p> I don’t agree with everything Tara writes; for instance, I don’t agree that the fatosphere rarely brings up the connection between class and access to healthy food. (I rarely see it brought up anywhere but the fatosphere). </p></blockquote>
<p>Are there many areas of this country that don&#8217;t sell fruits and vegetables or is the point that they are too expensive?</p>
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		<title>By: Lea</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-320873</link>
		<dc:creator>Lea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-320873</guid>
		<description>Amen to that. I am so sick of hearing people talking about "the last acceptable oppression" and how, by total coincidence, it's always the one that affects them the worst. The fact of the matter is, oppression in general, oppression as a principle, is far too acceptable. That's one of the factors that most sets back movements like fat acceptance and anti-racism. In order to be a true humanist, one has to embrace and learn about all the myriad forms of oppression and how they intersect, not just the ones that are "obvious" to one's self.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to that. I am so sick of hearing people talking about &#8220;the last acceptable oppression&#8221; and how, by total coincidence, it&#8217;s always the one that affects them the worst. The fact of the matter is, oppression in general, oppression as a principle, is far too acceptable. That&#8217;s one of the factors that most sets back movements like fat acceptance and anti-racism. In order to be a true humanist, one has to embrace and learn about all the myriad forms of oppression and how they intersect, not just the ones that are &#8220;obvious&#8221; to one&#8217;s self.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Vigneault</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-320869</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaine Vigneault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-320869</guid>
		<description>bleh, I made a typo, too. 
It should say:
If &lt;em&gt;only&lt;/em&gt; there was one of those!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bleh, I made a typo, too.<br />
It should say:<br />
If <em>only</em> there was one of those!</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Vigneault</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-320868</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaine Vigneault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 02:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-320868</guid>
		<description>"the fact acceptance movement"
haha! If on there was one of those!

BTW, vegans discuss "the connection between class and access to healthy food" too. We'd love to see less KFC and McDonald's and more farmer's markets and cooperative natural food stores. IMO, it's not so much an issue of lack of access, but more that 1) there is coercion, in the form of TV commercials and child-aimed marketing campaigns, to eat unhealthy food, and 2) there is misinformation about nutrition - the dairy industry would have you believe humans cannot live without cow's milk, despite the fact that much of history and much of the rest of the planet disproves them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the fact acceptance movement&#8221;<br />
haha! If on there was one of those!</p>
<p>BTW, vegans discuss &#8220;the connection between class and access to healthy food&#8221; too. We&#8217;d love to see less KFC and McDonald&#8217;s and more farmer&#8217;s markets and cooperative natural food stores. IMO, it&#8217;s not so much an issue of lack of access, but more that 1) there is coercion, in the form of TV commercials and child-aimed marketing campaigns, to eat unhealthy food, and 2) there is misinformation about nutrition - the dairy industry would have you believe humans cannot live without cow&#8217;s milk, despite the fact that much of history and much of the rest of the planet disproves them.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-320858</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/03/25/great-post-on-fat-and-race/#comment-320858</guid>
		<description>Tara, the OP here.

Thanks for the shout out!

I realized after posting my speech/rant that I should have made my section on food access clearer. I agree that the FA movement talks about it as it relates to class, but not in terms of a racial justice issue as well.

Anyway, I appreciate what you've said here and also over at Racialicious!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tara, the OP here.</p>
<p>Thanks for the shout out!</p>
<p>I realized after posting my speech/rant that I should have made my section on food access clearer. I agree that the FA movement talks about it as it relates to class, but not in terms of a racial justice issue as well.</p>
<p>Anyway, I appreciate what you&#8217;ve said here and also over at Racialicious!</p>
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