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	<title>Comments on: Thank You, White People!</title>
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		<title>By: LongHairedWeirdo</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/04/12/thank-you-white-people/#comment-321895</link>
		<dc:creator>LongHairedWeirdo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 03:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing to keep in mind with the wingnuts: every time they talk about "trillions" spent on "welfare": they're including Social Security. Social Security is, after all, an anti-poverty program. 

I mention this not because I figure anyone reading here needs to understand this to realize Buchanan's full of crap, but I do think that a lot of other people  would be shocked to realize that he's including the check that every single worker gets after age 65 in his calculations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to keep in mind with the wingnuts: every time they talk about &#8220;trillions&#8221; spent on &#8220;welfare&#8221;: they&#8217;re including Social Security. Social Security is, after all, an anti-poverty program. </p>
<p>I mention this not because I figure anyone reading here needs to understand this to realize Buchanan&#8217;s full of crap, but I do think that a lot of other people  would be shocked to realize that he&#8217;s including the check that every single worker gets after age 65 in his calculations.</p>
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		<title>By: Radfem</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/04/12/thank-you-white-people/#comment-321879</link>
		<dc:creator>Radfem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He's just a bigot with a big mouth and it gets him a lot of attention. And for some people, negative attention is better than none at all. And he does have his supporters. 

If ignorance is a means to express racial bigotry and hatred and/or  class bigotry or hatred, why not? It's not like this arrows not been used before by him and other people of his ilk. And even people not of his ilk. 


&lt;blockquote&gt;Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream. &lt;/blockquote&gt;


Huh? Since when has it been only African-Americans who utilize these resources and since when were these services designed as was the trillions allegedly allocated to only be provided for African-Americans?  So they're to blame because the services that are utilized by a lot of people of different ethnicities and races have failed to bring them into the mainstream?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s just a bigot with a big mouth and it gets him a lot of attention. And for some people, negative attention is better than none at all. And he does have his supporters. </p>
<p>If ignorance is a means to express racial bigotry and hatred and/or  class bigotry or hatred, why not? It&#8217;s not like this arrows not been used before by him and other people of his ilk. And even people not of his ilk. </p>
<blockquote><p>Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream. </p></blockquote>
<p>Huh? Since when has it been only African-Americans who utilize these resources and since when were these services designed as was the trillions allegedly allocated to only be provided for African-Americans?  So they&#8217;re to blame because the services that are utilized by a lot of people of different ethnicities and races have failed to bring them into the mainstream?</p>
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		<title>By: Sailorman</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/04/12/thank-you-white-people/#comment-321871</link>
		<dc:creator>Sailorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that is really insane.

Also, since when are those only targeted at the "African American Community?"  Many of those are/were targeted at nonrich people; my white family and friends have used most of the list.

Sigh.  Bucanan is really a nutcase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is really insane.</p>
<p>Also, since when are those only targeted at the &#8220;African American Community?&#8221;  Many of those are/were targeted at nonrich people; my white family and friends have used most of the list.</p>
<p>Sigh.  Bucanan is really a nutcase.</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream. &lt;/i&gt;

This is the third time I've seen a post on this subject (Pandagon, ABW, here) and it's only now that the second layer of stupidity in this statement finally hit me. Apart from the obvious, the programs Buchanan lists are neither charity nor gifts. They are attempts to right wrongs*. One might thank another person for a present or an act of charity, but thanking them for no longer being as bad of oppressors as in the past is almost an insult. As if they can not be expected to act in disinterested justice but will only do the right thing if they might get something out of it (i.e. thanks.) In the end, Buchanan is insulting whites as well as blacks. 

*Of course, none of these programs benefits blacks exclusively. I can be called black only by very strict adherence to the "one drop" rule, but I could never have gotten through college and med school without student loans and grants, to give an example. Indeed, student loans almost certainly benefit whites and pseudo-whites more often than blacks. Which makes asking blacks to thank whites for GSLs yet more stupid: poor blacks who are never going to college because their primary education doesn't prepare them adequately pay taxes, middle class white kids get loans backed by the government to cover higher education costs...who should be thanking whom for this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream. </i></p>
<p>This is the third time I&#8217;ve seen a post on this subject (Pandagon, ABW, here) and it&#8217;s only now that the second layer of stupidity in this statement finally hit me. Apart from the obvious, the programs Buchanan lists are neither charity nor gifts. They are attempts to right wrongs*. One might thank another person for a present or an act of charity, but thanking them for no longer being as bad of oppressors as in the past is almost an insult. As if they can not be expected to act in disinterested justice but will only do the right thing if they might get something out of it (i.e. thanks.) In the end, Buchanan is insulting whites as well as blacks. </p>
<p>*Of course, none of these programs benefits blacks exclusively. I can be called black only by very strict adherence to the &#8220;one drop&#8221; rule, but I could never have gotten through college and med school without student loans and grants, to give an example. Indeed, student loans almost certainly benefit whites and pseudo-whites more often than blacks. Which makes asking blacks to thank whites for GSLs yet more stupid: poor blacks who are never going to college because their primary education doesn&#8217;t prepare them adequately pay taxes, middle class white kids get loans backed by the government to cover higher education costs&#8230;who should be thanking whom for this?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually saw Buchannan say that crap on the McLaughlin Group - puttin' the "laugh" in McLaughlin, cuz I cracked up. "Is this dude serious?"

Well, of course he is. And I don't mean to trivialize the depth to which this stupid take on race relations is commonly held among my "fellow whites" - I grew up hearing it, and when I wasn't sputtering in disbelief at the arrogance (it sounded a bit like, "But! Buh! Wha? Fu-?"), I was shaking my head at the ignorance.

MSNBC will be having a "conversation on race" pretty soon. Given that Pat is a frequent guest on MSNBC political shows, should we expect to hear his "perspective"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually saw Buchannan say that crap on the McLaughlin Group - puttin&#8217; the &#8220;laugh&#8221; in McLaughlin, cuz I cracked up. &#8220;Is this dude serious?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, of course he is. And I don&#8217;t mean to trivialize the depth to which this stupid take on race relations is commonly held among my &#8220;fellow whites&#8221; - I grew up hearing it, and when I wasn&#8217;t sputtering in disbelief at the arrogance (it sounded a bit like, &#8220;But! Buh! Wha? Fu-?&#8221;), I was shaking my head at the ignorance.</p>
<p>MSNBC will be having a &#8220;conversation on race&#8221; pretty soon. Given that Pat is a frequent guest on MSNBC political shows, should we expect to hear his &#8220;perspective&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: LindenTea</title>
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		<dc:creator>LindenTea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my god that Buchannan quote reminds me of the "we forgive you/you're welcome" sketch on Mr. Show, except.... not satire. D:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my god that Buchannan quote reminds me of the &#8220;we forgive you/you&#8217;re welcome&#8221; sketch on Mr. Show, except&#8230;. not satire. D:</p>
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