Comments on: Mildred Loving, of Loving v Virginia, RIP http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/ Feminist, anti-racist, pro-fat, plus whatever else we feel like talking about. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:12:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: On miscegenation and gay marriage http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-333457 On miscegenation and gay marriage Fri, 16 May 2008 11:16:42 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-333457 [...] Ampersand reminds us that Mildred Loving didn’t agree. [...] [...] Ampersand reminds us that Mildred Loving didn’t agree. [...]

]]> By: ms_xeno http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-332557 ms_xeno Wed, 07 May 2008 18:54:34 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-332557 [drift]Nobody who has a comics page in this town runs Keith Knight's cartoons. Which proves conclusively that this town is full of "hipsters" who wouldn't know talent if it bit them on the ass. I mean, the Portland <i>Mercury</i> runs that execrable <i>Dinosaur Comics</i> but not Keith Knight. Hell, even Mort Walker's zombie empire isn't worse reading than <i>Dinosaur</i>. Feh. [/drift] [drift]Nobody who has a comics page in this town runs Keith Knight’s cartoons. Which proves conclusively that this town is full of “hipsters” who wouldn’t know talent if it bit them on the ass. I mean, the Portland Mercury runs that execrable Dinosaur Comics but not Keith Knight. Hell, even Mort Walker’s zombie empire isn’t worse reading than Dinosaur. Feh. [/drift]

]]> By: Charles Brubaker http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-332162 Charles Brubaker Tue, 06 May 2008 23:08:35 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-332162 Speaking of cartoons, Keith Knight did a pretty decent one this week: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/think-loving-couple.html Speaking of cartoons, Keith Knight did a pretty decent one this week:

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/think-loving-couple.html

]]> By: Jim http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-331897 Jim Tue, 06 May 2008 16:31:31 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-331897 OK, ADS, I see your point. It doesn't really defeat my point - neither analogy is all that close, maybe only one or two features. The real point is that this woman "was so expansive in her views about marriage rights." Would that clergy in the Black Church had the same level of moral conscience. Some are starting to come around, and some, like Rev. Jeremiah Wright, have had their heads on right all along on this issue. "Immigration is indeed an area where the law discriminates." You are so right. Andrew Sulivan has been highlighting this for that past couple of days. OK, ADS, I see your point. It doesn’t really defeat my point - neither analogy is all that close, maybe only one or two features. The real point is that this woman “was so expansive in her views about marriage rights.” Would that clergy in the Black Church had the same level of moral conscience. Some are starting to come around, and some, like Rev. Jeremiah Wright, have had their heads on right all along on this issue.

“Immigration is indeed an area where the law discriminates.” You are so right. Andrew Sulivan has been highlighting this for that past couple of days.

]]> By: marmelade http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-331162 marmelade Tue, 06 May 2008 07:06:01 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-331162 Something that has always amazed me is that there were 19 years - a whole generation - between when California struck down its state anti-miscegenation law (1947) and when the US supreme court made the rest of the states do the same(1968). Astounding that it took so long for something so right. And Alabama didn't take it's law off the books until 2000. Fifty-three years of very conscious legal bigotry! Doesn't bode well for our ability to live and let live, as Ms. Loving so eloquently advocated. Something that has always amazed me is that there were 19 years - a whole generation - between when California struck down its state anti-miscegenation law (1947) and when the US supreme court made the rest of the states do the same(1968). Astounding that it took so long for something so right.

And Alabama didn’t take it’s law off the books until 2000. Fifty-three years of very conscious legal bigotry! Doesn’t bode well for our ability to live and let live, as Ms. Loving so eloquently advocated.

]]> By: chris b. http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-330989 chris b. Tue, 06 May 2008 03:19:07 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-330989 I'm right there with Marmalade. For all the times I've heard this case referenced, I had no clue she was so expansive in her views about marriage rights. I am in one of the couples that got "married" at San francisco City Hall in February of 2004. Prior to that, marriage rights for gay people were not really on my radar: after that point it became crystal clear to me that this is another area where our democracy does not meet its potential, and undermines its integrity by disregarding deep and valid relationships that are part of the social fabric. For a brief time, I tasted what it might be like to live in a society where one might not have to move to another country to be with the one they love, or might have rights to things like, say, survivor benefits or social security. Immigration is indeed an area where the law discriminates. Since 2000, there has been legislation introduced into congress to help alleviate the plight of bi-national same-sex couples, but not near enough cosponsors or political will. There is an easy way you can help take action about this, by going here: http://www.hrcactioncenter.org/campaign/uafa_0508/ixgww8g4z7w8x58d? In memory and in honor of Mildred Loving, it seems like a right and positive thing to do. I’m right there with Marmalade. For all the times I’ve heard this case referenced, I had no clue she was so expansive in her views about marriage rights. I am in one of the couples that got “married” at San francisco City Hall in February of 2004. Prior to that, marriage rights for gay people were not really on my radar: after that point it became crystal clear to me that this is another area where our democracy does not meet its potential, and undermines its integrity by disregarding deep and valid relationships that are part of the social fabric. For a brief time, I tasted what it might be like to live in a society where one might not have to move to another country to be with the one they love, or might have rights to things like, say, survivor benefits or social security.

Immigration is indeed an area where the law discriminates. Since 2000, there has been legislation introduced into congress to help alleviate the plight of bi-national same-sex couples, but not near enough cosponsors or political will. There is an easy way you can help take action about this, by going here:

http://www.hrcactioncenter.org/campaign/uafa_0508/ixgww8g4z7w8×58d?

In memory and in honor of Mildred Loving, it seems like a right and positive thing to do.

]]> By: marmelade http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-330815 marmelade Mon, 05 May 2008 23:44:13 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-330815 What a lovely statement from a heroic person. Interesting that the non-blog press (AP and NPR so far) are steering clear from the modern-day marriage equality debate side of this story, and refraining from mentioning Ms. Loving's statement about gender-based marriage discrimination. . . instead they're using this quote from her statment: "It wasn't my doing," Loving said. "It was God's work." (also interesting that Ms. Loving had a daughter whose name is Ms. Fortune!) What a lovely statement from a heroic person.

Interesting that the non-blog press (AP and NPR so far) are steering clear from the modern-day marriage equality debate side of this story, and refraining from mentioning Ms. Loving’s statement about gender-based marriage discrimination. . . instead they’re using this quote from her statment: “It wasn’t my doing,” Loving said. “It was God’s work.”

(also interesting that Ms. Loving had a daughter whose name is Ms. Fortune!)

]]> By: ADS http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-330751 ADS Mon, 05 May 2008 22:15:04 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-330751 No, Jim: read back the first part of what you just wrote. Slavery prevented slaves from marrying ANYONE, even other slaves. Loving vs. VA only prevented Black people from marrying white people. Black people could live with white people, but with no legal recognition. Same-sex marriage opponents have no problem with gay women marryng men, etc. But if they want to live with women, their unions will have no recognition under the law. No one says a gay woman or gay man can't get married at all: THAT would make the situation analagous to slavery. No, Jim: read back the first part of what you just wrote. Slavery prevented slaves from marrying ANYONE, even other slaves. Loving vs. VA only prevented Black people from marrying white people. Black people could live with white people, but with no legal recognition.

Same-sex marriage opponents have no problem with gay women marryng men, etc. But if they want to live with women, their unions will have no recognition under the law. No one says a gay woman or gay man can’t get married at all: THAT would make the situation analagous to slavery.

]]> By: Jim http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-330701 Jim Mon, 05 May 2008 21:03:41 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-330701 How so? Opponents of gay marriage say that the laws don't forbid gays from marrying; we can just marry women. Likewise the miscengenation laws did not prevent whites or blacks from marrying; they just had to marry whites or blacks respectively. The situation under slavery is a much closer analogy - slaves could live together, have children and so on, but these unions had no recognition under the law. That is a very close analogy. How so? Opponents of gay marriage say that the laws don’t forbid gays from marrying; we can just marry women. Likewise the miscengenation laws did not prevent whites or blacks from marrying; they just had to marry whites or blacks respectively. The situation under slavery is a much closer analogy - slaves could live together, have children and so on, but these unions had no recognition under the law. That is a very close analogy.

]]> By: Loving, of Loving v. Virginia dies « don’t ya wish your girlfriend was smart like me? http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-330695 Loving, of Loving v. Virginia dies « don’t ya wish your girlfriend was smart like me? Mon, 05 May 2008 20:48:25 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-330695 [...] Via Alas, a Blog [...] [...] Via Alas, a Blog [...]

]]> By: Daisy http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-330650 Daisy Mon, 05 May 2008 20:20:31 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-330650 LOVING vs Virginia, sounds like the state is trying to stop them from loving. And ain't it the truth? Perfect name for it. LOVING vs Virginia, sounds like the state is trying to stop them from loving. And ain’t it the truth? Perfect name for it.

]]> By: Ampersand http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-330484 Ampersand Mon, 05 May 2008 18:35:01 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-330484 I think you're mistaken; Loving v Virginia is a <i>much </i>apter comparison than slavery. I think you’re mistaken; Loving v Virginia is a much apter comparison than slavery.

]]> By: Jim http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-330462 Jim Mon, 05 May 2008 18:22:06 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-330462 This case has been the standard reference in the same-sex marriage fight, but another analogy, a little closer to home for some, would be the situation under slavery, where black people were not allowed to marry other black people. This case has been the standard reference in the same-sex marriage fight, but another analogy, a little closer to home for some, would be the situation under slavery, where black people were not allowed to marry other black people.

]]> By: Stentor http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-330460 Stentor Mon, 05 May 2008 18:16:05 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/05/05/mildred-loving-of-loving-v-virginia-rip/#comment-330460 I would support a general ban on political cartoons depicting the Pearly Gates. I've yet to see a good one. I would support a general ban on political cartoons depicting the Pearly Gates. I’ve yet to see a good one.

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