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	<title>Comments on: Dennis Prager: Americans Hate Equality</title>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/10/29/dennis-prager-americans-hate-equality/#comment-342960</link>
		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;through education and various kinds of assistance &lt;/i&gt;

Which will be funded by what, taxing the already-poor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>through education and various kinds of assistance </i></p>
<p>Which will be funded by what, taxing the already-poor?</p>
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		<title>By: RonF</title>
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		<dc:creator>RonF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In order to believe that redistribution of income is the best solution to the fact that some people don't have enough money to live on seems to me premised on the concept that wealth is limited, and that you therefore have to take money from some people in order to make sure that everyone has enough.  An alternative concept is that people can generate wealth and that through education and various kinds of assistance and the taking advantage of opportunity by working hard, poor people can gain wealth without taking money from other people to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order to believe that redistribution of income is the best solution to the fact that some people don&#8217;t have enough money to live on seems to me premised on the concept that wealth is limited, and that you therefore have to take money from some people in order to make sure that everyone has enough.  An alternative concept is that people can generate wealth and that through education and various kinds of assistance and the taking advantage of opportunity by working hard, poor people can gain wealth without taking money from other people to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: RonF</title>
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		<dc:creator>RonF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's something magical and evil about taxes because taxes are what government uses to fund it's operations.  The less money a government has the less power it has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s something magical and evil about taxes because taxes are what government uses to fund it&#8217;s operations.  The less money a government has the less power it has.</p>
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		<title>By: Myca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, especially after the last 8 years, I have a hard time reading 'Libertarian' as anything except 'Republican who likes pot'. 

Now, I'm all for picking up their votes, but considering how often they seem to be willing to abandon social liberalism in return for a promise to cut taxes, I'm not particularly interested in shifting our positions much in order to accommodate what seems to be essentially a foolishly one-issue party.

---Myca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, especially after the last 8 years, I have a hard time reading &#8216;Libertarian&#8217; as anything except &#8216;Republican who likes pot&#8217;. </p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m all for picking up their votes, but considering how often they seem to be willing to abandon social liberalism in return for a promise to cut taxes, I&#8217;m not particularly interested in shifting our positions much in order to accommodate what seems to be essentially a foolishly one-issue party.</p>
<p>&#8212;Myca</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=""&gt;Sure. So? That’s true of every law. Conservatives (and especially libertarians) like to pretend that there’s something special and magical and evil about taxes, but actually … it’s just pretty much how laws work.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, as a matter of policy and general principle lets have fewer laws and less taxes. After the bush administration I think there's a huge opportunity for the left to pick up a lot of libertarians. Sure, they'll never be on the same side wrt to the size and scope of government, but there's plenty of common ground there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite=""><p>Sure. So? That’s true of every law. Conservatives (and especially libertarians) like to pretend that there’s something special and magical and evil about taxes, but actually … it’s just pretty much how laws work.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, as a matter of policy and general principle lets have fewer laws and less taxes. After the bush administration I think there&#8217;s a huge opportunity for the left to pick up a lot of libertarians. Sure, they&#8217;ll never be on the same side wrt to the size and scope of government, but there&#8217;s plenty of common ground there.</p>
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		<title>By: Myca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 11:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that even if we take his meaning as referring to 'Economic Equality,' he's really really really wrong, as &lt;a href="http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2008/10/spreading_the_wealth_wooing_the_base.php" title=""  rel="nofollow"&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2008/10/spreading_the_wealth_around_4.php" title=""  rel="nofollow"&gt;this post&lt;/a&gt;, both from Matt Yglesias explain clearly.

Oh, and I couldn't let this go by without comment:
&lt;blockquote cite="" &gt;Taxes, as we know, are forcefully imposed upon us.

How do we know this? Because if you do not pay your taxes, people with guns come to your house and haul you off to jail. So by definition, the requirement to taxes results in a lack of liberty.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sure. So? That's true of every law. Conservatives (and especially &lt;em&gt;libertarians&lt;/em&gt;) like to pretend that there's something special and magical and evil about taxes, but actually ... it's just pretty much how laws work. You live here, you obey the law. Don't like it? Protest or leave.

Conservatives have no problem understanding this in any other context, but man oh man taxes sure are confusing.

---Myca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that even if we take his meaning as referring to &#8216;Economic Equality,&#8217; he&#8217;s really really really wrong, as <a href="http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2008/10/spreading_the_wealth_wooing_the_base.php" title=""  rel="nofollow">this post</a> and <a href="http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2008/10/spreading_the_wealth_around_4.php" title=""  rel="nofollow">this post</a>, both from Matt Yglesias explain clearly.</p>
<p>Oh, and I couldn&#8217;t let this go by without comment:</p>
<blockquote cite="" ><p>Taxes, as we know, are forcefully imposed upon us.</p>
<p>How do we know this? Because if you do not pay your taxes, people with guns come to your house and haul you off to jail. So by definition, the requirement to taxes results in a lack of liberty.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure. So? That&#8217;s true of every law. Conservatives (and especially <em>libertarians</em>) like to pretend that there&#8217;s something special and magical and evil about taxes, but actually &#8230; it&#8217;s just pretty much how laws work. You live here, you obey the law. Don&#8217;t like it? Protest or leave.</p>
<p>Conservatives have no problem understanding this in any other context, but man oh man taxes sure are confusing.</p>
<p>&#8212;Myca</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are very misleading in your post.  I dare you to read my post and try to reconcile your statements.

Prager specifically says that he is not referring to equality of opportunity.  He does not believe anyone should be discriminated against.

He is saying that American government has not and should not be responsible for ensuring economic equality, i.e. that after all is said and done, everyone has the same amount of money.

Because, after all, the way to ensure that everyone has equal net worth in the end is to redistribute wealth via taxes.  Taxes, as we know, are forcefully imposed upon us.

How do we know this?  Because if you do not pay your taxes, people with guns come to your house and haul you off to jail.  So by definition, the requirement to taxes results in a lack of liberty.

So Prager is saying that American conservatives have placed liberty as a higher value than economic equality.  When conservatives see people in need, they wish to help but not at the expense of someone else.  They do not want to empower government to make the decision to take money from one person and give it to another.

They would rather see voluntary donations can be made by individuals, or they would rather grow the entire economy to help everyone together.

This is a key difference.  Any inequality bugs the hell out of them.  This is why Liberals love and praise places like Cuba.  They love Cuba because everyone is at the same economic level.   Forget that everyone is dirt poor--as long as no one has more than the other.  Fantastic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are very misleading in your post.  I dare you to read my post and try to reconcile your statements.</p>
<p>Prager specifically says that he is not referring to equality of opportunity.  He does not believe anyone should be discriminated against.</p>
<p>He is saying that American government has not and should not be responsible for ensuring economic equality, i.e. that after all is said and done, everyone has the same amount of money.</p>
<p>Because, after all, the way to ensure that everyone has equal net worth in the end is to redistribute wealth via taxes.  Taxes, as we know, are forcefully imposed upon us.</p>
<p>How do we know this?  Because if you do not pay your taxes, people with guns come to your house and haul you off to jail.  So by definition, the requirement to taxes results in a lack of liberty.</p>
<p>So Prager is saying that American conservatives have placed liberty as a higher value than economic equality.  When conservatives see people in need, they wish to help but not at the expense of someone else.  They do not want to empower government to make the decision to take money from one person and give it to another.</p>
<p>They would rather see voluntary donations can be made by individuals, or they would rather grow the entire economy to help everyone together.</p>
<p>This is a key difference.  Any inequality bugs the hell out of them.  This is why Liberals love and praise places like Cuba.  They love Cuba because everyone is at the same economic level.   Forget that everyone is dirt poor&#8211;as long as no one has more than the other.  Fantastic!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you're actually interesting in FACTS and would like to hear Dennis Prager discuss precisely what he said then move the slider to 40:00 here: http://dennisprager.townhall.com/MediaPlayer/AudioPlayer.aspx?ContentGuid=d41b7565-71f5-4804-9c21-e981bdfa9639</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re actually interesting in FACTS and would like to hear Dennis Prager discuss precisely what he said then move the slider to 40:00 here: <a href="http://dennisprager.townhall.com/MediaPlayer/AudioPlayer.aspx?ContentGuid=d41b7565-71f5-4804-9c21-e981bdfa9639" rel="nofollow">http://dennisprager.townhall.com/MediaPlayer/AudioPlayer.aspx?ContentGuid=d41b7565-71f5-4804-9c21-e981bdfa9639</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought your declaration said that all &lt;i&gt;men&lt;/i&gt; are created equal. If you want to adhere to the letter of the law, that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought your declaration said that all <i>men</i> are created equal. If you want to adhere to the letter of the law, that is.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prager the Pious was referring to a popular GOP bogeyman - Liberals want to ensure equality of outcome, not just equality of opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prager the Pious was referring to a popular GOP bogeyman - Liberals want to ensure equality of outcome, not just equality of opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Fecke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Fecke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gah--typo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gah&#8211;typo.</p>
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		<title>By: debgpi &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Equality! It&#8217;s not just for the French any more</title>
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		<dc:creator>debgpi &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Equality! It&#8217;s not just for the French any more</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on Alas, a blog: Dennis Prager says, &#8220;Americans Hate [...]</description>
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		<title>By: sly c</title>
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		<dc:creator>sly c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ellison is D-MN, rep of the 5th CD. ...for clarity's sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellison is D-MN, rep of the 5th CD. &#8230;for clarity&#8217;s sake.</p>
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