Comments on: 8 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/05/8/ Feminist, anti-racist, pro-fat, plus whatever else we feel like talking about. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:45:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Redheaded Stepchild http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/05/8/#comment-343304 Redheaded Stepchild Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:56:43 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-343304 well done. well done.

]]> By: Elena Perez http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/05/8/#comment-343300 Elena Perez Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:06:19 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-343300 There is a piece up today at the CA NOW blog by Meredith Patterson, <a href="http://www.canow.org/canoworg/2008/11/prop-8-postmortem-part-1-dissecting-history.html" rel="nofollow">"Prop. 8 Postmortem"</a> that breaks down the current challenge to the passage of Prop. 8, the legal background for the challenge, and why it may work to preserve marriage equality in California. There is a piece up today at the CA NOW blog by Meredith Patterson, “Prop. 8 Postmortem” that breaks down the current challenge to the passage of Prop. 8, the legal background for the challenge, and why it may work to preserve marriage equality in California.

]]> By: Rebecca http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/05/8/#comment-343296 Rebecca Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:26:46 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-343296 Great post. I appreciated the repeated references to adoption. More proof that opponents of change don't really give a crap about kids' lives, except as they relate to advancing their own limited, uninformed ideas about the environments in which other people should be raised, while at the same time ignoring that there are plenty of racially homogenous, heteronormative, man-controlled households in which it is nevertheless unhealthy for children to be raised, for one reason or another. Sorry that sentence was so long :P Great post. I appreciated the repeated references to adoption. More proof that opponents of change don’t really give a crap about kids’ lives, except as they relate to advancing their own limited, uninformed ideas about the environments in which other people should be raised, while at the same time ignoring that there are plenty of racially homogenous, heteronormative, man-controlled households in which it is nevertheless unhealthy for children to be raised, for one reason or another. Sorry that sentence was so long :P

]]> By: Ten Post Round-Up: Big News In Digestible Bits (Thursday, November 6th) « The Dark Diva Diaries http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/05/8/#comment-343265 Ten Post Round-Up: Big News In Digestible Bits (Thursday, November 6th) « The Dark Diva Diaries Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:01:43 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-343265 [...] Change takes time… [...] [...] Change takes time… [...]

]]> By: Loganotron » Blog Archive » Words of Encouragement from My Friends re: Prop 8 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/05/8/#comment-343245 Loganotron » Blog Archive » Words of Encouragement from My Friends re: Prop 8 Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:12:12 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-343245 [...] Lene sent met this blog post. Worth a read: It is not fair, of course, to same-sex couples who must wait their turn for equality, any more than the fifties were fair to interracial couples, or the Victorian era was fair to women. And for that reason, those of us who believe in equality must not waver in our commitment to it. If a committee to repeal Proposition 8 has not yet been formed, it must be, and soon. We must ensure that these changes are made as soon as possible, to benefit society as quickly as can be. [...] [...] Lene sent met this blog post. Worth a read: It is not fair, of course, to same-sex couples who must wait their turn for equality, any more than the fifties were fair to interracial couples, or the Victorian era was fair to women. And for that reason, those of us who believe in equality must not waver in our commitment to it. If a committee to repeal Proposition 8 has not yet been formed, it must be, and soon. We must ensure that these changes are made as soon as possible, to benefit society as quickly as can be. [...]

]]> By: Theresa http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/05/8/#comment-343233 Theresa Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:41:38 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-343233 You had me right up until "a righteous wind at our back". The use of "righteous" echoes the same rhetoric that 'conservatives' employ in their own arguments. I think that people feeling too 'righteous' about anything these days is a bit scary. Isn't that what got us here in the first place? But other than that, I'm with you. You had me right up until “a righteous wind at our back”. The use of “righteous” echoes the same rhetoric that ‘conservatives’ employ in their own arguments. I think that people feeling too ‘righteous’ about anything these days is a bit scary. Isn’t that what got us here in the first place?

But other than that, I’m with you.

]]> By: Jay http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/05/8/#comment-343215 Jay Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:54:03 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-343215 I, too, disagree with the recent legislation - particularly here in Florida. My ex-wife lives with a woman and cannot enjoy any of the privileges granted to a conventionally married couple. Furthermore, I (a man) live with a woman. Both of us are divorced and have no desire to get legally married, but under the new Florida law we also cannot enjoy said privileges. I, too, disagree with the recent legislation - particularly here in Florida. My ex-wife lives with a woman and cannot enjoy any of the privileges granted to a conventionally married couple.

Furthermore, I (a man) live with a woman. Both of us are divorced and have no desire to get legally married, but under the new Florida law we also cannot enjoy said privileges.

]]> By: Brady Bonk http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/05/8/#comment-343212 Brady Bonk Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:31:59 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-343212 I will never in my life understand how these "family values" types see this "marriage is a man and a woman" crap as copacetic with their "values." I am cousin to a kid born of two mommas, and I do not have a friendship with him because his mommas are scared, scared partially because the law does not bless their union. How many kids are there like this, caught in between and having to cope with this wobbly life? This kind of crap hurts children; not hypothetical, what-if children, but real children. It decimates families, real families who are genuinely interested in living their own "family values." I hate this for you, sir, but I am sure you are correct. Justice will eventually find a way. I will never in my life understand how these “family values” types see this “marriage is a man and a woman” crap as copacetic with their “values.” I am cousin to a kid born of two mommas, and I do not have a friendship with him because his mommas are scared, scared partially because the law does not bless their union. How many kids are there like this, caught in between and having to cope with this wobbly life? This kind of crap hurts children; not hypothetical, what-if children, but real children. It decimates families, real families who are genuinely interested in living their own “family values.” I hate this for you, sir, but I am sure you are correct. Justice will eventually find a way.

]]> By: Decnavda http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/05/8/#comment-343197 Decnavda Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:09:03 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-343197 This was great. This was great.

]]> By: Myca http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/05/8/#comment-343196 Myca Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:57:39 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-343196 I couldn't agree more, Jeff. Well said. I couldn’t agree more, Jeff. Well said.

]]> By: Ampersand http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/05/8/#comment-343195 Ampersand Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:54:08 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-343195 (Applause.) (Applause.)

]]> By: PG http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/05/8/#comment-343185 PG Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:16:02 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-343185 Excellent. Thank you for emphasizing that this is not the first legal battle we've had over marriage, <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=952711" rel="nofollow">nor is this the first time that the California Supreme Court has been accused of misreading a constitution to find a right to marriage equality that didn't exist</a>. I find the history of the de-gendering of marriage particularly important, because it demonstrates that the law no longer distinguishes spouses on the basis of their sex, except at one point: when determining who can marry in the first place. Excellent. Thank you for emphasizing that this is not the first legal battle we’ve had over marriage, nor is this the first time that the California Supreme Court has been accused of misreading a constitution to find a right to marriage equality that didn’t exist.

I find the history of the de-gendering of marriage particularly important, because it demonstrates that the law no longer distinguishes spouses on the basis of their sex, except at one point: when determining who can marry in the first place.

]]> By: Keith http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/05/8/#comment-343181 Keith Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:51:01 +0000 http://www.amptoons.com/blog/?p=5353#comment-343181 Well said. I'll be the one fighting right there alongside you. Well said. I’ll be the one fighting right there alongside you.

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