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		<title>By: Ethan N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethan N.</dc:creator>
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		<description>Religious nuts?
y2k.

Nuff said.</description>
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y2k.</p>
<p>Nuff said.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul GREGERSEN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul GREGERSEN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How could christians fall for this sham when Revelation 15:2 states that the mark of the beast is something we must personally overcome, and then gain victory over through the blood of the lamb. This description and wording seem to depict mans fallen nature in which John is speaking of, and not a computer implant in which many people speculate. Did Christ die for our sins, or did he die for computer implants? Rediculous theology that millions of christians have fallen both line ansd sinker.
Here is the rational truth about this subject coming directly from the

Bible.




The mark originated with Cain, in the old testiment. Cain who killed his brother Abel and sought to cover his terrible sin by hiding his crime. God asked, where is thy brother? Cain said, I know not, am I my brothers keeper? Cain was then marked after becoming the first example of this Satanic beastly example God detests.



God then cursed the works of Cains hands when the ground he tilled no longer brought forth her streangth. A bad economy followed. Thus we identify this mark by Gods curse upon Cains right handed works. Why? Cain had yielded himself to Satans power.



It was Satan who was symbolized in the Bible as the cursed beast (the Serpent) in the garden of Eden.



A type of snake bight or mark identifying the evil nature Satan had injected into mans fallen nature was depicted.


Later we learn in the new testiment that these kind of people who follow Cains nature are also called beasts. "Jude 1.
"


An even clearer example is once again exemplified when Joseph's eleven brothers sought to kill Joseph and sell him as a slave into Egypt. The brothers hid this terrible sin from Jacob their father by killing a wild beast and placing this animals blood upon Joseph's coat of many colors, using an actual beasts bloodstain. The brothers then lied to Jacob, and gave Jacob Joseph's famous coat with the marked bloodstain, this evidence convinced Jacob that his birthright son was truly dead. The secret plan Jacob knew not of, was that the mark upon Joseph's coat was really the "mark of the beast" and not from Josephs torn body .



The mark of the beast becomes a deception which hides and removes Gods will, and replaces Gods will with Satans deception and plan. It was Gods will that Joseph become the birthright son. Suddenly Joseph is removed from sight by a hidden cover up, by a mark from a beast, or hidden lie.



The brothers sold Joseph to the Egyptians for money. Thus buying and selling the beastly mark for gain. The interpretation of an anti christ is to remove Christs will, and then replace it with the mark of the beast, or Satans power.



Selling out God through a lie. When Nebuchadnezzar forced the world to worship his golden God in Babylon, he used the power of the state to replace the true authority of God with another manmade lie.



Nebuchadnezzar also used Gold or money to build his God, and sell out the worship of the true God.. Again replacing Christs will on earth with Satans beastly mark.



After imposing this sin of pride God curses Nebuchadnezzar with the nature of the beast. Read Daniel chapter four. Nebuchadnezzar was marked in a similar way to Cain, being removed from men, becoming insane like a wild beast.



He later repented after 7 years of going through a terrible withdrawl process from an evil addiction of being power hungry with pride. The 666 number in scripture identifies Nebuchadnezzars statue in time with its exact size. The statue was gold, which represents Nebuchadnezzar himself as representing the gold by Daniel. "Daniel 2." King Nebuchadnezzar was literally the 600 BC man. The entire world represents his power given to this one single man in 600 BC. His giant golden image was carefully measured exactly 60 cubits high and 6 cubits wide."Daniel 3:1". This event marked Babylonian attempt to replace God with six hundred and three score and six. The 600 BC man.
"Dan3-

1".


In otherwords you can find the answer to the worlds greatest mystery right inside your very own Bible.


After Nebuchadnezzar over come and gained victory over this beastly nature, God freed the the beast of Babylon from the evil mark. Evil men today are seeking to remove God given American freedoms by replacing "one nation under God" with a beastly state supported socialism, in order to make slaves of free Americans. The same spirit of Babylon today has returned , it once again is seeking to remove our God, and replace him with a golden money God of the state.


They are again setting up a God of gold made from the banking system. Why? To force us to worship this golden God of state or be fired, or removed and destroyed through political correctness. No man Nor women in America can buy or sell, or have a job unless he or she is contributing to this evil BABYLON, GROWING RAPIDLY WITHIN OUR OWN COUNTRY. LOOK AT THE TAXATION AND THE BAILOUTS NOW GOING ON BECAUSE OF FREDDY AND FANNY. No one is calling to place Kriss Dodd nor Barney Frank in jail for helping to cause this world banking crisis.. Instead, they and their friends have all been placed in charge of this bail out money...Every man, every women, and every child born today, including the unborn, must now pay money for an out of control national debt placing America forever on the hook. Untold billions now go directly into the social democrats hands to transform America, and change it into one nation under a liberal god. The anti christ nobody is yet looking for.
Another modern god of gold, like unto the 666 god in 600 BC is now being constructed for Americans to sacrifice for and be forced to worship. All small and great , rich and poor, must now sacrifice for its construction for the creation of change... Remember Obama declaring that all Americans must sacrifice for his change? We are now changing America into a modern beast of Babylon, by the use of our own right hand works, and our own money being robbed. This has all been made possible through the lies planted within our own foreheads, or decieved minds.


What kind of evil beast got into half of America's foreheads, or intellects, and caused them to vote for their own slavery? Millions of votes were cast against a free America? It was an evil beast which decieved their minds through lies coming from the politically correct media. The mark of evil power came from these votes being directed through the peoples right hands, and from their foreheads.

Now all of us are forever on the hook unless we can awaken our fellow christians to this lie! 
Please help get this new biblical understanding to as many christians as possible. Why? They have also been decieved by thousands of money grabbing preachers who have downloaded the wrong understanding of the mark of the beast! These decieved christians are still waiting for a computer chip implant, when the mark is already upon them. Watch the online video from start to finish, and understand the basis behind Babylons mark.today.. Click
www. eternaltruth. net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How could christians fall for this sham when Revelation 15:2 states that the mark of the beast is something we must personally overcome, and then gain victory over through the blood of the lamb. This description and wording seem to depict mans fallen nature in which John is speaking of, and not a computer implant in which many people speculate. Did Christ die for our sins, or did he die for computer implants? Rediculous theology that millions of christians have fallen both line ansd sinker.<br />
Here is the rational truth about this subject coming directly from the</p>
<p>Bible.</p>
<p>The mark originated with Cain, in the old testiment. Cain who killed his brother Abel and sought to cover his terrible sin by hiding his crime. God asked, where is thy brother? Cain said, I know not, am I my brothers keeper? Cain was then marked after becoming the first example of this Satanic beastly example God detests.</p>
<p>God then cursed the works of Cains hands when the ground he tilled no longer brought forth her streangth. A bad economy followed. Thus we identify this mark by Gods curse upon Cains right handed works. Why? Cain had yielded himself to Satans power.</p>
<p>It was Satan who was symbolized in the Bible as the cursed beast (the Serpent) in the garden of Eden.</p>
<p>A type of snake bight or mark identifying the evil nature Satan had injected into mans fallen nature was depicted.</p>
<p>Later we learn in the new testiment that these kind of people who follow Cains nature are also called beasts. &#8220;Jude 1.<br />
&#8221;</p>
<p>An even clearer example is once again exemplified when Joseph&#8217;s eleven brothers sought to kill Joseph and sell him as a slave into Egypt. The brothers hid this terrible sin from Jacob their father by killing a wild beast and placing this animals blood upon Joseph&#8217;s coat of many colors, using an actual beasts bloodstain. The brothers then lied to Jacob, and gave Jacob Joseph&#8217;s famous coat with the marked bloodstain, this evidence convinced Jacob that his birthright son was truly dead. The secret plan Jacob knew not of, was that the mark upon Joseph&#8217;s coat was really the &#8220;mark of the beast&#8221; and not from Josephs torn body .</p>
<p>The mark of the beast becomes a deception which hides and removes Gods will, and replaces Gods will with Satans deception and plan. It was Gods will that Joseph become the birthright son. Suddenly Joseph is removed from sight by a hidden cover up, by a mark from a beast, or hidden lie.</p>
<p>The brothers sold Joseph to the Egyptians for money. Thus buying and selling the beastly mark for gain. The interpretation of an anti christ is to remove Christs will, and then replace it with the mark of the beast, or Satans power.</p>
<p>Selling out God through a lie. When Nebuchadnezzar forced the world to worship his golden God in Babylon, he used the power of the state to replace the true authority of God with another manmade lie.</p>
<p>Nebuchadnezzar also used Gold or money to build his God, and sell out the worship of the true God.. Again replacing Christs will on earth with Satans beastly mark.</p>
<p>After imposing this sin of pride God curses Nebuchadnezzar with the nature of the beast. Read Daniel chapter four. Nebuchadnezzar was marked in a similar way to Cain, being removed from men, becoming insane like a wild beast.</p>
<p>He later repented after 7 years of going through a terrible withdrawl process from an evil addiction of being power hungry with pride. The 666 number in scripture identifies Nebuchadnezzars statue in time with its exact size. The statue was gold, which represents Nebuchadnezzar himself as representing the gold by Daniel. &#8220;Daniel 2.&#8221; King Nebuchadnezzar was literally the 600 BC man. The entire world represents his power given to this one single man in 600 BC. His giant golden image was carefully measured exactly 60 cubits high and 6 cubits wide.&#8221;Daniel 3:1&#8243;. This event marked Babylonian attempt to replace God with six hundred and three score and six. The 600 BC man.<br />
&#8220;Dan3-</p>
<p>1&#8243;.</p>
<p>In otherwords you can find the answer to the worlds greatest mystery right inside your very own Bible.</p>
<p>After Nebuchadnezzar over come and gained victory over this beastly nature, God freed the the beast of Babylon from the evil mark. Evil men today are seeking to remove God given American freedoms by replacing &#8220;one nation under God&#8221; with a beastly state supported socialism, in order to make slaves of free Americans. The same spirit of Babylon today has returned , it once again is seeking to remove our God, and replace him with a golden money God of the state.</p>
<p>They are again setting up a God of gold made from the banking system. Why? To force us to worship this golden God of state or be fired, or removed and destroyed through political correctness. No man Nor women in America can buy or sell, or have a job unless he or she is contributing to this evil BABYLON, GROWING RAPIDLY WITHIN OUR OWN COUNTRY. LOOK AT THE TAXATION AND THE BAILOUTS NOW GOING ON BECAUSE OF FREDDY AND FANNY. No one is calling to place Kriss Dodd nor Barney Frank in jail for helping to cause this world banking crisis.. Instead, they and their friends have all been placed in charge of this bail out money&#8230;Every man, every women, and every child born today, including the unborn, must now pay money for an out of control national debt placing America forever on the hook. Untold billions now go directly into the social democrats hands to transform America, and change it into one nation under a liberal god. The anti christ nobody is yet looking for.<br />
Another modern god of gold, like unto the 666 god in 600 BC is now being constructed for Americans to sacrifice for and be forced to worship. All small and great , rich and poor, must now sacrifice for its construction for the creation of change&#8230; Remember Obama declaring that all Americans must sacrifice for his change? We are now changing America into a modern beast of Babylon, by the use of our own right hand works, and our own money being robbed. This has all been made possible through the lies planted within our own foreheads, or decieved minds.</p>
<p>What kind of evil beast got into half of America&#8217;s foreheads, or intellects, and caused them to vote for their own slavery? Millions of votes were cast against a free America? It was an evil beast which decieved their minds through lies coming from the politically correct media. The mark of evil power came from these votes being directed through the peoples right hands, and from their foreheads.</p>
<p>Now all of us are forever on the hook unless we can awaken our fellow christians to this lie!<br />
Please help get this new biblical understanding to as many christians as possible. Why? They have also been decieved by thousands of money grabbing preachers who have downloaded the wrong understanding of the mark of the beast! These decieved christians are still waiting for a computer chip implant, when the mark is already upon them. Watch the online video from start to finish, and understand the basis behind Babylons mark.today.. Click<br />
<a href="http://www" rel="nofollow">http://www</a>. eternaltruth. net</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/13/the-hand-scanner-of-the-beast/#comment-345617</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, I don't care, I'm just pointing out what has been SAID, not what is the truth, as if there were such things anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, I don&#8217;t care, I&#8217;m just pointing out what has been SAID, not what is the truth, as if there were such things anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: mik</title>
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		<dc:creator>mik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny, the 'number of the beast' is 616, it was noticed by some monk when the bible was being translated into english and he thought 'that can't be right' and wrote 666 instead. Always amuses me to hear christians coming out with 666, among other things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny, the &#8216;number of the beast&#8217; is 616, it was noticed by some monk when the bible was being translated into english and he thought &#8216;that can&#8217;t be right&#8217; and wrote 666 instead. Always amuses me to hear christians coming out with 666, among other things.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/13/the-hand-scanner-of-the-beast/#comment-345167</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's pisstakers for ya, always gots to have the last word . . .  ;-)</description>
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		<title>By: bro</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/13/the-hand-scanner-of-the-beast/#comment-344841</link>
		<dc:creator>bro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny, taking out of the piss is a different thing altogether. Eeewww.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny, taking out of the piss is a different thing altogether. Eeewww.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/13/the-hand-scanner-of-the-beast/#comment-344801</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bro = Brit taker-out-of-the-piss</description>
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		<title>By: bro</title>
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		<dc:creator>bro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Sailorman Writes: 

bro…. “darkie”? Are you freakin’ serious?"

No, actually. Thought you might have spotted that.... 
That was my dad's pet name for me, though. I had one for him, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sailorman Writes: </p>
<p>bro…. “darkie”? Are you freakin’ serious?&#8221;</p>
<p>No, actually. Thought you might have spotted that&#8230;.<br />
That was my dad&#8217;s pet name for me, though. I had one for him, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Sailorman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sailorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bro.... "darkie"?  Are you freakin' serious?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bro&#8230;. &#8220;darkie&#8221;?  Are you freakin&#8217; serious?</p>
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		<title>By: bro</title>
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		<dc:creator>bro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny said "The Mark of the Beast is related to the Mark of Cain"

No, it isn't

"which some have claimed is the number 666"

Who?

"a Hebrew letter"

nah...

"a black dot on the forehead"

Any reason for that?

"a scar or a brand, etc. "

'etc.' probably covers whatever it might not be, I guess

"It has also been claimed that black or dark skin is the mark of Cain. "

oh really? huh, well, sticking your head in a scanner might well turn you into a darkie, I suppose. Is that the connection you're making here? I'm lost.

"Black or dark skin has also been connected with Ham"

Nope, Ham's pink.

"the middle son of Noah, and various groups claim that Ham was Cain’s direct descendant, and that punishment by God for the deeds of their ancestors is/was the justification for separation and degradation of humans with darker skin."

Just as well no actual Biblical evidence for outright racism is required.

"Here is a link making the connection "

Guess those nutters could F.Off, too</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny said &#8220;The Mark of the Beast is related to the Mark of Cain&#8221;</p>
<p>No, it isn&#8217;t</p>
<p>&#8220;which some have claimed is the number 666&#8243;</p>
<p>Who?</p>
<p>&#8220;a Hebrew letter&#8221;</p>
<p>nah&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;a black dot on the forehead&#8221;</p>
<p>Any reason for that?</p>
<p>&#8220;a scar or a brand, etc. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;etc.&#8217; probably covers whatever it might not be, I guess</p>
<p>&#8220;It has also been claimed that black or dark skin is the mark of Cain. &#8221;</p>
<p>oh really? huh, well, sticking your head in a scanner might well turn you into a darkie, I suppose. Is that the connection you&#8217;re making here? I&#8217;m lost.</p>
<p>&#8220;Black or dark skin has also been connected with Ham&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope, Ham&#8217;s pink.</p>
<p>&#8220;the middle son of Noah, and various groups claim that Ham was Cain’s direct descendant, and that punishment by God for the deeds of their ancestors is/was the justification for separation and degradation of humans with darker skin.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just as well no actual Biblical evidence for outright racism is required.</p>
<p>&#8220;Here is a link making the connection &#8221;</p>
<p>Guess those nutters could F.Off, too</p>
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		<title>By: TheOtherOne</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheOtherOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along the lines of the drivers license as the MOTB, at least some of the people opposed to the RealID/National identity card seem to oppose it on MOTB grounds. . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along the lines of the drivers license as the MOTB, at least some of the people opposed to the RealID/National identity card seem to oppose it on MOTB grounds. . . .</p>
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		<title>By: RonF</title>
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		<dc:creator>RonF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heck, the MOTB could be your drivers' license.  Or your credit cards.  Consider what you cannot do without one or the other.  I'm paid by direct deposit; my company WON'T issue paychecks, you HAVE to tell them what bank your account is in.  I can't pay cash for anything unless I use my ATM card, or go to the bank personally and show ID.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heck, the MOTB could be your drivers&#8217; license.  Or your credit cards.  Consider what you cannot do without one or the other.  I&#8217;m paid by direct deposit; my company WON&#8217;T issue paychecks, you HAVE to tell them what bank your account is in.  I can&#8217;t pay cash for anything unless I use my ATM card, or go to the bank personally and show ID.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/13/the-hand-scanner-of-the-beast/#comment-344387</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mark of the Beast is related to the Mark of Cain, which some have claimed is the number 666, a Hebrew letter, a black dot on the forehead, a scar or a brand, etc.  It has also been claimed that black or dark skin is the mark of Cain.  

Black or dark skin has also been connected with Ham, the middle son of Noah, and various groups claim that Ham was Cain's direct descendant, and that punishment by God for the deeds of their ancestors is/was the justification for separation and degradation of humans with darker skin.

Here is a link making the connection http://www.ridingthebeast.com/articles/666-physical-mark/  b/t the two marks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mark of the Beast is related to the Mark of Cain, which some have claimed is the number 666, a Hebrew letter, a black dot on the forehead, a scar or a brand, etc.  It has also been claimed that black or dark skin is the mark of Cain.  </p>
<p>Black or dark skin has also been connected with Ham, the middle son of Noah, and various groups claim that Ham was Cain&#8217;s direct descendant, and that punishment by God for the deeds of their ancestors is/was the justification for separation and degradation of humans with darker skin.</p>
<p>Here is a link making the connection <a href="http://www.ridingthebeast.com/articles/666-physical-mark/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ridingthebeast.com/articles/666-physical-mark/</a>  b/t the two marks.</p>
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		<title>By: RonF</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/11/13/the-hand-scanner-of-the-beast/#comment-344370</link>
		<dc:creator>RonF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what did people think was the MOTB before bar codes and implantable microchips were invented?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what did people think was the MOTB before bar codes and implantable microchips were invented?</p>
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		<title>By: TheOtherOne</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheOtherOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=""&gt;Goodness. Jenny’s SDAs appear to have strayed from the fold a bit. Seventh-day Adventists believe that the “mark of the beast” is Sunday worship (they consider the Jewish Sabbath, Saturday, to be the correct day).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I never heard &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; while I attended the SDA church.  Maybe it's shifted over time, but Sunday worship was simply considered worshipping on the wrong day.  (The argument is that the Catholic Church shifted it, and the Bible says to worship on the 7th day.   And the SDA church has some um, &lt;em&gt;interesting&lt;/em&gt;, ideas about the Catholic Church.)  But I never heard it connected to the mark of the beast.

We did hear a lot about the mark of the beast, tho; it was expected to be a barcode on your hand or forehead, or a chip implanted into your hand.  The paranoia is that it will tie into monetary and identification systems - that you won't be able to buy anything, pay your rent, get into any building where you'd have to show ID, etc., without letting them mark you.    Getting marked, of course, is a &lt;em&gt;bad thing&lt;/em&gt;, and those who stand up for their religion will be persecuted for it.  It ties into the beginning of the end times.

Which, frankly, is why it always puzzles me that they're so willing to go to court and fight over it.  If G-d says it's going to happen, do you really think there's any point in taking it to the Supreme Court?  And if you think you'll accomplish real, lasting good by fighting it in the courts, then do you really believe what you've been preaching?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite=""><p>Goodness. Jenny’s SDAs appear to have strayed from the fold a bit. Seventh-day Adventists believe that the “mark of the beast” is Sunday worship (they consider the Jewish Sabbath, Saturday, to be the correct day).</p></blockquote>
<p>I never heard <em>that</em> while I attended the SDA church.  Maybe it&#8217;s shifted over time, but Sunday worship was simply considered worshipping on the wrong day.  (The argument is that the Catholic Church shifted it, and the Bible says to worship on the 7th day.   And the SDA church has some um, <em>interesting</em>, ideas about the Catholic Church.)  But I never heard it connected to the mark of the beast.</p>
<p>We did hear a lot about the mark of the beast, tho; it was expected to be a barcode on your hand or forehead, or a chip implanted into your hand.  The paranoia is that it will tie into monetary and identification systems - that you won&#8217;t be able to buy anything, pay your rent, get into any building where you&#8217;d have to show ID, etc., without letting them mark you.    Getting marked, of course, is a <em>bad thing</em>, and those who stand up for their religion will be persecuted for it.  It ties into the beginning of the end times.</p>
<p>Which, frankly, is why it always puzzles me that they&#8217;re so willing to go to court and fight over it.  If G-d says it&#8217;s going to happen, do you really think there&#8217;s any point in taking it to the Supreme Court?  And if you think you&#8217;ll accomplish real, lasting good by fighting it in the courts, then do you really believe what you&#8217;ve been preaching?</p>
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		<title>By: Myca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite="" &gt;THAT’S their example of an objectionable policy? Has every competent PR person left the Bush Admin already?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It's interesting when they say what they really believe, isn't it?

---Myca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="" ><p>THAT’S their example of an objectionable policy? Has every competent PR person left the Bush Admin already?</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting when they say what they really believe, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>&#8212;Myca</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
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		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Bush Administration has reached a clear "&lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/washington/18abort.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;we no longer have to give the slightest damn what the public thinks" point&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;i&gt;As an example of the policies to which they object, Bush administration officials cited a Connecticut law that generally requires hospitals to provide rape victims with timely access to and information about emergency contraception.&lt;/i&gt;

THAT'S their example of an objectionable policy? Has every competent PR person left the Bush Admin already? Why would any political actor of any sense whatsoever cite a law that assists rape survivors as an example of a bad law? Surely there's some poor, oppressed Catholic nurse who lost her job because she refused to participate in an abortion or something instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Bush Administration has reached a clear &#8220;<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/washington/18abort.html" rel="nofollow">we no longer have to give the slightest damn what the public thinks&#8221; point</a>:</p>
<p><i>As an example of the policies to which they object, Bush administration officials cited a Connecticut law that generally requires hospitals to provide rape victims with timely access to and information about emergency contraception.</i></p>
<p>THAT&#8217;S their example of an objectionable policy? Has every competent PR person left the Bush Admin already? Why would any political actor of any sense whatsoever cite a law that assists rape survivors as an example of a bad law? Surely there&#8217;s some poor, oppressed Catholic nurse who lost her job because she refused to participate in an abortion or something instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I've had a few interfaith prayer breakfasts with these guys, and they are very strange and very sincere.   

I think it is akin to Jehovah's Witnesses refusing blood transfusions even when it may mean the death of their children, or that recent couple in NY (I think) whose son was completely brain dead, but who refused to take him off of life support b/c the criterion for death in their Orthodox Jewish tradition is a non-beating heart, and the son's heart was still beating, albeit by machinery.  (He just died a day or two ago, eliminating a budding controversy over whether a person who is essentially dead ought to continue to take up a bed and other resources  that a living person could use.)   Or Muslims or Mormoms marrying daughters off at age  14. 

http://home.earthlink.net/~gklentprs/warning.html (Mark of the Beast)
http://www.dallasnewlifesda.org/sealofgod.php  (ditto)

http://www.watchtower.org/e/hb/index.htm?article=article_05.htm (blood transfusion)

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/CancerPreventionAndTreatment/Story?id=6237642&#38;page=1  (son on life support)

http://www.newsweek.com/id/103620 (underage marriage) 
http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy147.html (ditto)


There are so many interesting intersections between secular and religious law.

NOT that getting a computer chip is the law.  YET!!  (Muahahahahah!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I&#8217;ve had a few interfaith prayer breakfasts with these guys, and they are very strange and very sincere.   </p>
<p>I think it is akin to Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses refusing blood transfusions even when it may mean the death of their children, or that recent couple in NY (I think) whose son was completely brain dead, but who refused to take him off of life support b/c the criterion for death in their Orthodox Jewish tradition is a non-beating heart, and the son&#8217;s heart was still beating, albeit by machinery.  (He just died a day or two ago, eliminating a budding controversy over whether a person who is essentially dead ought to continue to take up a bed and other resources  that a living person could use.)   Or Muslims or Mormoms marrying daughters off at age  14. </p>
<p><a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~gklentprs/warning.html" rel="nofollow">http://home.earthlink.net/~gklentprs/warning.html</a> (Mark of the Beast)<br />
<a href="http://www.dallasnewlifesda.org/sealofgod.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.dallasnewlifesda.org/sealofgod.php</a>  (ditto)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.watchtower.org/e/hb/index.htm?article=article_05.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.watchtower.org/e/hb/index.htm?article=article_05.htm</a> (blood transfusion)</p>
<p><a href="http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/CancerPreventionAndTreatment/Story?id=6237642&amp;page=1" rel="nofollow">http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/CancerPreventionAndTreatment/Story?id=6237642&amp;page=1</a>  (son on life support)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/103620" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsweek.com/id/103620</a> (underage marriage)<br />
<a href="http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy147.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy147.html</a> (ditto)</p>
<p>There are so many interesting intersections between secular and religious law.</p>
<p>NOT that getting a computer chip is the law.  YET!!  (Muahahahahah!)</p>
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		<title>By: Mandolin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mandolin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite="" &gt;Yeah, I had two ducks in my freezer for about six months a couple years back for the same reason.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We have some abalone guts in our freezer at the moment. The diver who caught it was over at our house for a faux-thanksgiving holiday, and he dissected it for me before cooking and told me about its physiology. It was cool.

Also,btw, we've been linked by pharyngula, which tends to have a different vocabulary for discourse about religion than feminist sites do.  I'm a pharyngula reader; I agree with PZ a good deal of the time; I'm not saying their way of talking about religion is wrong. But readers who are used to feminist discourse on religion may want to think of it as a context/paradigm difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="" ><p>Yeah, I had two ducks in my freezer for about six months a couple years back for the same reason.</p></blockquote>
<p>We have some abalone guts in our freezer at the moment. The diver who caught it was over at our house for a faux-thanksgiving holiday, and he dissected it for me before cooking and told me about its physiology. It was cool.</p>
<p>Also,btw, we&#8217;ve been linked by pharyngula, which tends to have a different vocabulary for discourse about religion than feminist sites do.  I&#8217;m a pharyngula reader; I agree with PZ a good deal of the time; I&#8217;m not saying their way of talking about religion is wrong. But readers who are used to feminist discourse on religion may want to think of it as a context/paradigm difference.</p>
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		<title>By: RonF</title>
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		<dc:creator>RonF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shattered?  Must have been a real cold freezer.  When I dropped Jingles in the garage she just kind of went "thud".

I also found a dead frozen cat IN the garage during the winter - not one of ours.  Apparently while I had the door to the outside open it ducked in from outside and found a spot to hole up in.  Whereupon I shut the door and went into the house from the inside door.  Either it died without coming out or I never heard it meow or scratch at the door.  I went out in February to put away (finally) all the Christmas stuff, moved a box, and, hey - what's this grey muff?  NO, DANG, IT'S A DEAD CAT.  Poor thing.  It was given a decent burial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shattered?  Must have been a real cold freezer.  When I dropped Jingles in the garage she just kind of went &#8220;thud&#8221;.</p>
<p>I also found a dead frozen cat IN the garage during the winter - not one of ours.  Apparently while I had the door to the outside open it ducked in from outside and found a spot to hole up in.  Whereupon I shut the door and went into the house from the inside door.  Either it died without coming out or I never heard it meow or scratch at the door.  I went out in February to put away (finally) all the Christmas stuff, moved a box, and, hey - what&#8217;s this grey muff?  NO, DANG, IT&#8217;S A DEAD CAT.  Poor thing.  It was given a decent burial.</p>
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