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	<description>Feminist, anti-racist, pro-fat, plus whatever else we feel like talking about.</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: RonF</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/12/30/open-thread-9/#comment-349336</link>
		<dc:creator>RonF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BSA's membership policies are basically a function of the fact that a good 1/3 of their units are sponsored by Lutheran, Mormon and Catholic churches and the national representatives of those churches to the National Council have told the BSA "If you permit gays, we'll stop sponsoring units".  Other organizations like the American Legion will probably drop units as well.  Not to mention the numerous parents who would probably pull their kids out.  Sure, other people who are holding kids out might then join the BSA, but the BSA's best guess right now is that those folks won't make up for their losses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BSA&#8217;s membership policies are basically a function of the fact that a good 1/3 of their units are sponsored by Lutheran, Mormon and Catholic churches and the national representatives of those churches to the National Council have told the BSA &#8220;If you permit gays, we&#8217;ll stop sponsoring units&#8221;.  Other organizations like the American Legion will probably drop units as well.  Not to mention the numerous parents who would probably pull their kids out.  Sure, other people who are holding kids out might then join the BSA, but the BSA&#8217;s best guess right now is that those folks won&#8217;t make up for their losses.</p>
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		<title>By: Lu</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/12/30/open-thread-9/#comment-349203</link>
		<dc:creator>Lu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bet is that the Scouts will have to rescind this one when they can't find enough thin adults. (Once long ago I would have been underweight; now, of course, I'm on the other end of the curve, so to speak.) Perhaps while they're at it they could rethink their other discriminatory policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bet is that the Scouts will have to rescind this one when they can&#8217;t find enough thin adults. (Once long ago I would have been underweight; now, of course, I&#8217;m on the other end of the curve, so to speak.) Perhaps while they&#8217;re at it they could rethink their other discriminatory policies.</p>
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		<title>By: RonF</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/12/30/open-thread-9/#comment-348995</link>
		<dc:creator>RonF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Scouting list threads on the issue have been following a course that based on what I've seen here was quite predictable.  Numerous people are taking the attitude of "No big deal, the big folks just need to stop eating as much and exercise  more", while others are pointing out that a lot of quite healthy people don't fit those categories.  This is going to get interesting.  Ther are a lot of people who have been leading Scouts on activities for years that just won't fit those categories - like me, for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Scouting list threads on the issue have been following a course that based on what I&#8217;ve seen here was quite predictable.  Numerous people are taking the attitude of &#8220;No big deal, the big folks just need to stop eating as much and exercise  more&#8221;, while others are pointing out that a lot of quite healthy people don&#8217;t fit those categories.  This is going to get interesting.  Ther are a lot of people who have been leading Scouts on activities for years that just won&#8217;t fit those categories - like me, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/12/30/open-thread-9/#comment-348991</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the aftermath of Prop. 8, I decided to find out if my small university town in Texas played any kind of significant role. Imagine my surprise when I found that two academics at our large research university, Texas A&#38;M, had contributed thousands to the Yes on 8 campaign.

Intrigued, I wanted to know if there had been any local "victims." I found a local gay male couple who had been married in California during that five-month window between the overturning of Prop. 22 and the adoption of Prop. 8.

Here is the first installment in a multi-part series about Prop. 8's long reach to southeast Texas. Come back in a couple of weeks and I'll have more:

http://theaggieinsurgency.wordpress.com/2008/12/31/aggies-dont-lie-cheat-steal-nor-break-up-other-aggies-marriages-prop-8s-long-and-intrusive-reach-to-texas-am/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the aftermath of Prop. 8, I decided to find out if my small university town in Texas played any kind of significant role. Imagine my surprise when I found that two academics at our large research university, Texas A&amp;M, had contributed thousands to the Yes on 8 campaign.</p>
<p>Intrigued, I wanted to know if there had been any local &#8220;victims.&#8221; I found a local gay male couple who had been married in California during that five-month window between the overturning of Prop. 22 and the adoption of Prop. 8.</p>
<p>Here is the first installment in a multi-part series about Prop. 8&#8217;s long reach to southeast Texas. Come back in a couple of weeks and I&#8217;ll have more:</p>
<p><a href="http://theaggieinsurgency.wordpress.com/2008/12/31/aggies-dont-lie-cheat-steal-nor-break-up-other-aggies-marriages-prop-8s-long-and-intrusive-reach-to-texas-am/" rel="nofollow">http://theaggieinsurgency.wordpress.com/2008/12/31/aggies-dont-lie-cheat-steal-nor-break-up-other-aggies-marriages-prop-8s-long-and-intrusive-reach-to-texas-am/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Glenn's Cult</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/12/30/open-thread-9/#comment-348955</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn's Cult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have given your site an award.  Please visit my site at http://glennscult.blogspot.com/2009/01/our-first-award.html to see the award and my comments about your site.  I love it and please keep the great stuff coming!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have given your site an award.  Please visit my site at <a href="http://glennscult.blogspot.com/2009/01/our-first-award.html" rel="nofollow">http://glennscult.blogspot.com/2009/01/our-first-award.html</a> to see the award and my comments about your site.  I love it and please keep the great stuff coming!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: fathima</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/12/30/open-thread-9/#comment-348934</link>
		<dc:creator>fathima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://run.likethewind.ca/2009/01/gaza/" rel="nofollow"&gt;On Gaza&lt;/a&gt;: i write about the politics of expecting American Jews to speak out against Barak's war and about the emotional impact of images of violence</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://run.likethewind.ca/2009/01/gaza/" rel="nofollow">On Gaza</a>: i write about the politics of expecting American Jews to speak out against Barak&#8217;s war and about the emotional impact of images of violence</p>
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		<title>By: Eva</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/12/30/open-thread-9/#comment-348911</link>
		<dc:creator>Eva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you all see this? A nice little  dose of snark I wasn't expecting in the New Yorker.

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2009/01/05/090105sh_shouts_ozols</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you all see this? A nice little  dose of snark I wasn&#8217;t expecting in the New Yorker.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2009/01/05/090105sh_shouts_ozols" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2009/01/05/090105sh_shouts_ozols</a></p>
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		<title>By: Angiportus</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/12/30/open-thread-9/#comment-348908</link>
		<dc:creator>Angiportus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 07:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In heaven do we get our kitties back too?
Or do we have to be thin?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In heaven do we get our kitties back too?<br />
Or do we have to be thin?</p>
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		<title>By: Schala</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/12/30/open-thread-9/#comment-348904</link>
		<dc:creator>Schala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 05:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I take I would be refused for being below the recommended weight, even though the table and form seems to say it's about preventing people who are overweight* (and no mention of people who are underweight*) from risking their lives.

*According to BMI anyways.

Ever since I reached double digits age, I've been below recommended weight. No one has made a fuss about it though. Even less since transitioning (I had comments "You should eat more" before - ironically, pre-transition no one would have said much for being overweight, but post-transition they would probably say "You should lose weight").</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I take I would be refused for being below the recommended weight, even though the table and form seems to say it&#8217;s about preventing people who are overweight* (and no mention of people who are underweight*) from risking their lives.</p>
<p>*According to BMI anyways.</p>
<p>Ever since I reached double digits age, I&#8217;ve been below recommended weight. No one has made a fuss about it though. Even less since transitioning (I had comments &#8220;You should eat more&#8221; before - ironically, pre-transition no one would have said much for being overweight, but post-transition they would probably say &#8220;You should lose weight&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: RonF</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/12/30/open-thread-9/#comment-348900</link>
		<dc:creator>RonF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 03:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ranges are "Recommended Weight" and "Allowable Exceptions".  A third column in the table is entitled "Maximum Acceptance" and restates the top weight of "Allowable Exceptions".

"it seems completely insane that the BSA doesn’t provide for exemptions through doctor approval."

A point being made repeatedly in the Scouting lists.  Now, at Philmont this same table has been used for years and they're quite strict about it.  Few people made a fuss because a week-long or 10-day trek at Philmont is truly stressful (it's in the Sangre de Cristo mountains in N.E. New Mexico), to the point that one or two people die from a heart attack every other year there.  But they didn't use it anywhere else.  Now, apparently, they are.

BMI Nazis, eh?  Is that where this table comes from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ranges are &#8220;Recommended Weight&#8221; and &#8220;Allowable Exceptions&#8221;.  A third column in the table is entitled &#8220;Maximum Acceptance&#8221; and restates the top weight of &#8220;Allowable Exceptions&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;it seems completely insane that the BSA doesn’t provide for exemptions through doctor approval.&#8221;</p>
<p>A point being made repeatedly in the Scouting lists.  Now, at Philmont this same table has been used for years and they&#8217;re quite strict about it.  Few people made a fuss because a week-long or 10-day trek at Philmont is truly stressful (it&#8217;s in the Sangre de Cristo mountains in N.E. New Mexico), to the point that one or two people die from a heart attack every other year there.  But they didn&#8217;t use it anywhere else.  Now, apparently, they are.</p>
<p>BMI Nazis, eh?  Is that where this table comes from?</p>
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		<title>By: Schala</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/12/30/open-thread-9/#comment-348888</link>
		<dc:creator>Schala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if I would be accepted.

When I was 15, I was just about 5'0", and about 85 lbs (range is 97-138).

As an adult, I'm about 5'6", and about 100-105 lbs (range is 118-167).

No mention is made of underweight. Maybe they think it's so rare it doesn't exist except in modeling/gymnastics etc where there's tons of pressure to maintain absurdly low weight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if I would be accepted.</p>
<p>When I was 15, I was just about 5&#8242;0&#8243;, and about 85 lbs (range is 97-138).</p>
<p>As an adult, I&#8217;m about 5&#8242;6&#8243;, and about 100-105 lbs (range is 118-167).</p>
<p>No mention is made of underweight. Maybe they think it&#8217;s so rare it doesn&#8217;t exist except in modeling/gymnastics etc where there&#8217;s tons of pressure to maintain absurdly low weight?</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/12/30/open-thread-9/#comment-348886</link>
		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RonF,

Thanks for bringing this to the attention of Amp and Alas readers -- it seems completely insane that the BSA doesn't provide for exemptions through doctor approval. That is, even if they're going to be the BMI Nazis, they at least can acknowledge that BMI doesn't capture an individual's health accurately, and can allow a doctor to note that your organs, joints etc. all work fine and that you have no health problems of concern (e.g. no high blood pressure), so you can go on such trips safely. Frankly, it just seems stupid to make people get a doctor's form and base so much of it on BMI and so little on actual medical measurements of health.

It might make sense if the weight limits were based on what rural health providers could handle -- there *are* weights that exceed what 1980s-era stretchers and ambulances can handle -- but those would be so high (&lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/health/08ambu.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;literally a quarter ton&lt;/a&gt;) that it's extremely unlikely a person that heavy would be able to participate in a canoe trip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RonF,</p>
<p>Thanks for bringing this to the attention of Amp and Alas readers &#8212; it seems completely insane that the BSA doesn&#8217;t provide for exemptions through doctor approval. That is, even if they&#8217;re going to be the BMI Nazis, they at least can acknowledge that BMI doesn&#8217;t capture an individual&#8217;s health accurately, and can allow a doctor to note that your organs, joints etc. all work fine and that you have no health problems of concern (e.g. no high blood pressure), so you can go on such trips safely. Frankly, it just seems stupid to make people get a doctor&#8217;s form and base so much of it on BMI and so little on actual medical measurements of health.</p>
<p>It might make sense if the weight limits were based on what rural health providers could handle &#8212; there *are* weights that exceed what 1980s-era stretchers and ambulances can handle &#8212; but those would be so high (<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/health/08ambu.html" rel="nofollow">literally a quarter ton</a>) that it&#8217;s extremely unlikely a person that heavy would be able to participate in a canoe trip.</p>
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		<title>By: thebigmanfred</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/12/30/open-thread-9/#comment-348878</link>
		<dc:creator>thebigmanfred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amp interesting pic and thanks for the open thread.</description>
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		<title>By: Myca</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/12/30/open-thread-9/#comment-348877</link>
		<dc:creator>Myca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite="" &gt;I wonder why they did this?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;*cough*&lt;/strong&gt;

I think most of us have answers.

I think that you won't like them.

---Myca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="" ><p>I wonder why they did this?</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>*cough*</strong></p>
<p>I think most of us have answers.</p>
<p>I think that you won&#8217;t like them.</p>
<p>&#8212;Myca</p>
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		<title>By: RonF</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/12/30/open-thread-9/#comment-348876</link>
		<dc:creator>RonF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Amp, points of great interest to you and I have just intersected.  The BSA has just come out with a new medical form, found &lt;a href="http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/34605_Letter.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  It has to be completed once a year and give to the leader of whatever unit you belong to in order for you to go on campouts, etc.  That represents a change (it used to be once every 3 years if you were under 40), but that's not the biggest one.

No, the biggest one is on the 3rd page, part B.  Anyone engaged in a high-adventure activity (e.g., a multiday backpacking trip or canoe trip) or any activity where you are somewhere that it will take more than 30 minutes to get someone out to you to evacuate you must meet height/weight guidelines as composed by the revised Dietary Guidelines for Americans from the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture and the Dept. of Health &#38; Human Services.

The BSA is about to block a whole bunch of Scouts from going on high-adventure trips and just about all other of the activities that they most enjoy and that are what get and keep kids in Scouting.  Not by disqualifying the kids, mind you (although it might) but by disqualifying most adults from being able to go (and you have to have 2 adults minimum on such trips).

For example: I'm 6' 2".  According to this chart the recommended weight for that height is 148 to 219 pounds.  I was last within that weight range when I was in college, and that only briefly because I was on a diet study.  The "Allowable Exception" range is 211 - 252.  I haven't weighed less than 260 for about 20 years.  Of course, during the last 15 years I've been on about 12 canoe trips into Canada, Minnesota and Michigan with no problem.

I wonder why they did this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Amp, points of great interest to you and I have just intersected.  The BSA has just come out with a new medical form, found <a href="http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/34605_Letter.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  It has to be completed once a year and give to the leader of whatever unit you belong to in order for you to go on campouts, etc.  That represents a change (it used to be once every 3 years if you were under 40), but that&#8217;s not the biggest one.</p>
<p>No, the biggest one is on the 3rd page, part B.  Anyone engaged in a high-adventure activity (e.g., a multiday backpacking trip or canoe trip) or any activity where you are somewhere that it will take more than 30 minutes to get someone out to you to evacuate you must meet height/weight guidelines as composed by the revised Dietary Guidelines for Americans from the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture and the Dept. of Health &amp; Human Services.</p>
<p>The BSA is about to block a whole bunch of Scouts from going on high-adventure trips and just about all other of the activities that they most enjoy and that are what get and keep kids in Scouting.  Not by disqualifying the kids, mind you (although it might) but by disqualifying most adults from being able to go (and you have to have 2 adults minimum on such trips).</p>
<p>For example: I&#8217;m 6&#8242; 2&#8243;.  According to this chart the recommended weight for that height is 148 to 219 pounds.  I was last within that weight range when I was in college, and that only briefly because I was on a diet study.  The &#8220;Allowable Exception&#8221; range is 211 - 252.  I haven&#8217;t weighed less than 260 for about 20 years.  Of course, during the last 15 years I&#8217;ve been on about 12 canoe trips into Canada, Minnesota and Michigan with no problem.</p>
<p>I wonder why they did this?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Ray Worley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Ray Worley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://worleydervish.blogspot.com/2008/12/take-your-stand.html" title="" rel="nofollow"&gt;Take Your Stand&lt;/a&gt; for the Constitution and the Rule of Law!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://worleydervish.blogspot.com/2008/12/take-your-stand.html" title="" rel="nofollow">Take Your Stand</a> for the Constitution and the Rule of Law!</p>
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		<title>By: RonF</title>
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		<dc:creator>RonF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Saddam Hussein’s regime caused the deaths of somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000 Kurds. Estimates of the number of violent deaths in Iraq since the 2003 invasion vary, but one estimate, from the Iraqi Health Ministry, puts the figure at approximately 150,000. We haven’t been much better at keeping people alive than Saddam was.&lt;/i&gt;

Doug S., did Saddam Hussein's regime only kill Kurds?  For one thing, I seem to recall that a large number of Iranians died at the hands of his army.  Then there were the Marsh Arabs.  How many indigenous Shiites did he kill?  I think your number is likely a bit short.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Saddam Hussein’s regime caused the deaths of somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000 Kurds. Estimates of the number of violent deaths in Iraq since the 2003 invasion vary, but one estimate, from the Iraqi Health Ministry, puts the figure at approximately 150,000. We haven’t been much better at keeping people alive than Saddam was.</i></p>
<p>Doug S., did Saddam Hussein&#8217;s regime only kill Kurds?  For one thing, I seem to recall that a large number of Iranians died at the hands of his army.  Then there were the Marsh Arabs.  How many indigenous Shiites did he kill?  I think your number is likely a bit short.</p>
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		<title>By: RonF</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/12/30/open-thread-9/#comment-348863</link>
		<dc:creator>RonF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renee, I read that post about a woman wearing a hijab being penalized for it.  It turns out (as you know from reading the post) that the rule is actually that no one is allowed to wear headgear in court (common around the country, BTW - I've run into it in Chicago).  The author states that the law as applied is racist and sexist.  She voices the presumption that Jewish men would not be required to remove their yarmulkes, nor would turban wearers (primarily Hindus and Sikhs) be required to remove their turbans.  But she offers absolutely no citations to back it up; she says that they &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; not be required to remove their headgear, not that they &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; not.

The argument seems to be that the system is sexist, therefore men would not be required to remove their religious headgear, and therefore the system is sexist.  She offers no evidence to back any of this up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renee, I read that post about a woman wearing a hijab being penalized for it.  It turns out (as you know from reading the post) that the rule is actually that no one is allowed to wear headgear in court (common around the country, BTW - I&#8217;ve run into it in Chicago).  The author states that the law as applied is racist and sexist.  She voices the presumption that Jewish men would not be required to remove their yarmulkes, nor would turban wearers (primarily Hindus and Sikhs) be required to remove their turbans.  But she offers absolutely no citations to back it up; she says that they <i>would</i> not be required to remove their headgear, not that they <i>are</i> not.</p>
<p>The argument seems to be that the system is sexist, therefore men would not be required to remove their religious headgear, and therefore the system is sexist.  She offers no evidence to back any of this up.</p>
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		<title>By: idyllicmollusk</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/12/30/open-thread-9/#comment-348856</link>
		<dc:creator>idyllicmollusk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy New Years!

Some thoughts on &lt;a href="http://theczech.wordpress.com/2008/12/28/how-to-accept-dangerous-gifts/" rel="nofollow"&gt;mental illness&lt;/a&gt; and how treatment of the mentally ill intersects with other social justice issues.

Using news clips to construct a &lt;a href="http://theczech.wordpress.com/2008/12/30/disproportionate-use-of-force/" rel="nofollow"&gt;troubling narrative&lt;/a&gt; of power in Gaza.

Bush did something right for once!  &lt;a href="http://theczech.wordpress.com/2008/12/30/a-christmas-miracle/" rel="nofollow"&gt;New retirement protections&lt;/a&gt; for same-sex couples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy New Years!</p>
<p>Some thoughts on <a href="http://theczech.wordpress.com/2008/12/28/how-to-accept-dangerous-gifts/" rel="nofollow">mental illness</a> and how treatment of the mentally ill intersects with other social justice issues.</p>
<p>Using news clips to construct a <a href="http://theczech.wordpress.com/2008/12/30/disproportionate-use-of-force/" rel="nofollow">troubling narrative</a> of power in Gaza.</p>
<p>Bush did something right for once!  <a href="http://theczech.wordpress.com/2008/12/30/a-christmas-miracle/" rel="nofollow">New retirement protections</a> for same-sex couples.</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
		<link>http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2008/12/30/open-thread-9/#comment-348855</link>
		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shae,

I thought the "Ticks" song was clever for its genre -- though it plays into fairly standard stereotypes of woman-must-pretend-to-chastity, what doesn't? -- but then I haven't had the traumatic tick experiences you apparently have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shae,</p>
<p>I thought the &#8220;Ticks&#8221; song was clever for its genre &#8212; though it plays into fairly standard stereotypes of woman-must-pretend-to-chastity, what doesn&#8217;t? &#8212; but then I haven&#8217;t had the traumatic tick experiences you apparently have.</p>
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